HishamTIL the WWW originally had a logo, and nothing else is better at expressing the naive academic techno-optimism from the 1990s than a design that looks hand-coded in PostScript and that slogan at the top.
FiXato@hisham_hm maybe a constant reminder of that slogan would've kept us from drifting towards "Let's collect what we know about you."
barefootliam@FiXato @hisham_hm in a way, that naïve optimism is what led to the privacy problems. After all, passwords were originally only uuencoded (a plaintext cipher) and there was no session management. The botched attempt at session management by Netscape gave us cookies. But, a more complex Web might never have succeeded at all.
Christopher Neitzert@barefootliam @FiXato @hisham_hm Great points Liam, though I think our openness problem predates this; all of this was built with an academic perspective on privacy, halfdouble (www.halfdouble.io) is a great example of the need for greater abstraction between connectivity and direct device access.
@xenophile @FiXato @hisham_hm yes, the Web was developed in a research environment, not with undergrad/high school students, and with sanctions available for bad behaviour.
@barefootliam @FiXato @hisham_hm Yes precisely. but I'm thinking of something even before that. I heard a talk years ago, I think a SAGE event 20+ years ago, where someone was talking about the hubaloo when Ken Thompson introduced passwd and how upset some people were at the control over their ability to create freely. From my perspective being about as old as the epoch itself, it seemed quite silly a notion then and now it gives me the burning desire to rush right out and rewrite every stack all at once :D
@xenophile @FiXato @hisham_hm to be fair, consider Microsoft, where for years the assumption was that if there was a network it was corporate and behind a firewall and could be trusted. This attitude persisted well into the 201x era. Hindsight and all that...
@barefootliam @FiXato @hisham_hm whats that gibson quote, the future is already here, just not evenly distributed?