@[email protected] @4FC Yes indeed. Two things here I think.
Besides selection/survivorship bias issues, fundamentally, it is important to recognize that video recordings and personal testimonials can *never* establish systems safety... only systems safety *issues*.
We do not send out a NTSB Go Team when an aircraft lands without incident, but there is a flurry of activity when there is a safety issue.
Always surfacing and robustly responding to those issues is crucial for safe systems.
@[email protected] @4FC The other thing here is the lack of a Safety Management System (SMS) in the FSD Beta program.
That is, a robust system that brings the "tester" into the safety lifecycle of the program, continuously.
It is Tesla's obligation to maintain that. Always.
That turns what would otherwise be the subjective assessments of safety (as we see in FSD Beta YouTube videos) into objective assessments.
@adamjcook @swotam I think it's also important to bring up the data aspect. One of my favorite cliches as a programmer is garbage in and garbage out. Someone untrained not taking over the system is telling it that it is doing a good job despite where it very well might not be. However I continuously see people tout data advantage. It definitely is in some aspects but not all.
As a Tesla owner and someone who really loves my car, it is nice to have real discussion
@4FC @[email protected] Ah yes!
Well stated.
Indeed. A SMS and a systems safety lifecycle not only (and primarily) has public/crew/tester safety in mind... but it is a hard requirement in continuously evaluating system reliability.
That is why physical, controlled and exhaustive validation is so crucial as it operates at a level that is closest to the operating domain - to the context in which the vehicle will operate.
@4FC @[email protected] An example that I often like to use is that we do not even allow run-of-the-mill, but otherwise highly-trained, commercial aircraft pilots to operate pre-type certified aircraft over *unpopulated* areas.
There are specially-trained test pilots for that... pilots that can be brought into the systems safety lifecycle.
There are a host of reasons for that - safety and technical.
Adam Cook
Franklin