The Press are noticing that former Twitter developers are migrating to Mastodon.

What should raise eyebrows is: Ivory might be "better than Tweetbot ever could be".

This isn't mere hype.

Tweetbot was rolled out in 2011, when Twitter clients were already constrained by API limitations.

However, with Mastodon, Tapbots isn't constrained whatsoever by a proprietary API.

With open protocols, the sky is the limit in how they can innovate!

Twitter ain't limiting them!

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tweetbots-twitter-client-shutdown-195533095.html

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@atomicpoet There isn't a proprietary API, but parts of the fediverse community, especially on Mastodon, seems to be very against certain kinds of features. Search, quote tweets, non-chronological feeds -- pretty much anything that isn't the pared-down Twitter clone that Mastodon currently is seems to be off-limits.

That isn't necessarily all bad -- I think it's good that people consider what *should* be done, and not just what *could* be done. However, I feel like a lot of fediverse/mastodon old-timers aren't really thinking about what's the actual problem with certain things, and instead have a knee jerk "Twitter did that, and Mastodon doesn't, so therefore it must be bad".

In any case, I fell like saying "the sky is the limit in how they can innovate" isn't entirely accurate. There are many things Twitter apps could do that at least some people on the fediverse wouldn't tolerate.

@xenomachina Mastodon is part of the Fediverse, but it is not the Fediverse.

@atomicpoet I am aware. That's why I said "especially on Mastodon". The quote boost discussions I sawwere a good example of Mastodon users pushing back hard, even though other fediverse instance types support quote boosts.

Do any non-Mastodon fediverse instance types support full text search or non-chronological feeds ("algorithms")?

@xenomachina I don't know what you mean by "non-fediverse instance types".
@atomicpoet sorry, typo. I meant non-Mastodon fediverse instance types.

@xenomachina Everything is allowable. If you want to make it happen, build it.

Search is generally better on other Fediverse software, though not "universal".

And I don't know anybody who wants black box algorithms to define their feed.

@atomicpoet if "everything is allowable" then why does it seem like every search system that pops up gets shot down almost immediately? It sure seems like search isn't allowed.

@xenomachina Shot down by who? Name some names.

Right now, I have no problem finding Mastodon posts on either Google, Searx, or DuckDuckGo.

Personally, I've spoken about potential search tech many times. People are enthusiastic about possibilities.

What people generally want is opt-in consent. Which, by the way, is possible.

@xenomachina @atomicpoet you can implement whatever search system you want, it just
1. needs to be fast and scalable
2. needs to primarily happen client-side

with that in mind, the amount of ActivityPub-compatible search implementations are slim to none. don't take it personally if instances object to setting up a Postgres indexing database or implementing some dubious bonus feature.

@smoldesu

Why does it need to be client side? What if my "client" is a web app, similar to the way Gmail is an email "client"?