Mastodawn

This appears to be a blatant attempt my this conservative government to disenfranchise specific groups who would never vote for them.

✅ Get your ID
✅ Vote
✅ Don't let them get away with it.

BarbaraPittman ☕️💬Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake Same voter suppression tactics go on here in US. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Tony💙Jan 20, 2023

@grinnpidgeon @CriticalCupcake Conservatives will be conservatives, cheats will be cheats, liars will be liars, conservatives will be conservatives ad infinitum.

Pollik Jan 20, 2023

If you can't easily get ID, get a postal vote...don't need ID for that.

Dan Hatton Jan 20, 2023

@pak21 Also useful for the risk of testing positive for Covid 2 days before the election and having to self-isolate.

Philip Kendall Jan 20, 2023

@only_ohm At least under current laws, it is possible to get an emergency proxy vote if you become unable to vote after the regular deadline. I assume (but haven't checked) that facility remains.

Kadiya Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake Seems more like a blatant attempt to get id cards through the back door without having a vote on requiring everyone to have an id card

Peter Brown Jan 20, 2023

@Kadiya @CriticalCupcake forcing everybody to have an ID card would require that the ID card was free. This kind of voter suppression demands that people go out and spend money before they can get acceptable ID.
Fortunately, the Young Scot card is accepted

Wild_Rodent Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake It is, and there's precious little publicity about the change for that reason.

Another option is applying for a postal vote.

Todd Gatts Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake
I think voting restrictions are bad for America, but there's a simple way around them. Learn and follow the rules in your state. They can't stop you from voting anymore, so go vote. F'k'm.

Pollik Jan 20, 2023

How do they know the photo is of the person to whom the NI number belongs?

@Pollik I've been pondering this a lot, as far I can see, this makes elections less secure as it moves trust to an unverifiable photo.

Pollik Jan 20, 2023

Wouldn't it be good if some people made some fake IDs and then went along to vote with the actual person who has verified photo ID. Better if it was done en masse.

Peter Telford Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake in the same week they’ve talked of making videos showing channel boat crossings in a “positive” light illegal.
This is all perfectly normal in a 21st century democracy.

Kerry McNasty Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake Tories don't want young adults to vote do they?

@McNasty they really don't

Peter Brown Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake and those in possession of a Young Scot card, can use it as ID to vote.

Toby Inkster

Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake how many can I get?

@tobyink Well if you know the NI number, it seems like as many as you want.

I'll go through the process with a friend soon to be exactly certain ;)

Callie Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake Is this UK or England? Google is giving conflicting accounts

Callie Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake It's ok, I managed to find out

UK elections in Scotland need ID, local elections don't

@Caledonia ooh, should have read up before I replied *giggle*

@Caledonia What I've seen is "some elections in England, Scotland and Wales".

Peter Keating Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake oh well they'll finally see my alien registration card and that'll be no more voting

@CriticalCupcake
Voting is one a very few things that should require strong identification. Here in Italy voting has required providing an identification document with photo since at least the '90
@kornel

@CriticalCupcake
Without photo identification frauds are much easier
@kornel

Kornel Jan 20, 2023

@paoloredaelli @CriticalCupcake The fraud people imagine largely doesn't happen. In some contexts "voter fraud" just means "the poorest people use their legal right to vote and we don't like that".

In the UK there's a requirement to register to vote, which assigns the voter to a specific location, and the name is crossed out from the list when they give out a ballot. This is pretty secure, because if someone stole an identity, it'd be noticed, because the name would already be crossed out.

Kornel Jan 20, 2023

@paoloredaelli @CriticalCupcake Also keep in mind that a volunteer at busy a polling station will not be able to tell the difference between an authentic ID document and a laminated paper from a laser printer.

@kornel
Well, I obviously don't know English voting system and ID cards. 😥😰😨
I beg your pardon.
"Modern" Italian id cards are much more elaborated than a laminated paper…
@CriticalCupcake

Ed Davies Jan 20, 2023

@paoloredaelli English, and other British, people don't generally have ID cards other than passports (if they have them), driving licences (if they have them), bus passes (if they have them) and so on.

There is a general revulsion at the idea of having a single and/or compulsory ID card stemming, at least in part, from the general unpleasantness across Europe just prior to 1945. There was an attempt, about a decade ago, to introduce them but it was pretty widely rejected and the government didn't persist with it.

@kornel @CriticalCupcake

@kornel
Also in Italy one must vote where he resides and not elsewhere. But frauds do happen and we always underestimate the creativity of fraudsters. I endorse freedom for almost everything else but I endorse many fraud proof countermeasures when we reason about voting
@CriticalCupcake

@kornel
For example when I vote I must go to a very specific ballot and not elsewhere in my city.
@CriticalCupcake

Ebly Pamplemousse Jan 20, 2023

@paoloredaelli @kornel @CriticalCupcake In the UK, in 2019 (a year where we had local (council) elections, EU parliamentary elections and elections to UK parliament; 8 different types of election throughout the country), there were 595 cases of alleged electoral fraud.
Out of that, 2 people were given police cautions and there were 4 convictions.
Requiring photo ID to vote is like using a bulldozer to crack a shelled peanut.

Jen Fizzbuzz 🏳️‍⚧️Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake I'd bet the online system won't work if you have a GRC similar to the driving license thing

PhilippaB Jan 20, 2023

@CriticalCupcake thank you for sharing this. I’m visually impaired. ID is tricky for me. It’s also for photos as they want you to have your eyes fully open. Which I do not without sunglasses.

Toby Inkster

Feb 8, 2023

@CriticalCupcake I applied for a voter id certificate yesterday, and plan on asking for a new one every month or so. You know what they say, vote early and vote often.

dakkar Feb 8, 2023

@tobyink you can also apply to vote by post!

Neil A. Evans Feb 8, 2023

@CriticalCupcake This is going to cause riots, there’s so little public knowledge about this, people are genuinely going to turn up thinking they can vote only to be turned away.

Amy of Ryloth Feb 8, 2023

@CriticalCupcake i assume it this doesn’t include postal voting?

Critical Cupcake Feb 8, 2023

@amy_ryloth postal voting is excluded

Jonathan Wright Feb 9, 2023