Daniel RubinoMicrosoft should get into the home security business because Eufy, Amazon, Google, and others all have major trust issues.
Excellent article by @Gwanatu, with some input from myself.
theOmegabit@daniel_rubino and Microsoft is the one to lead trust? I mean, relatively, sure, the bar is so low with the others. But I don’t think that makes that sound good.
@theomegabit Yes. MS's rep amongst consumers is 📈:
https://www.theceomagazine.com/business/management-leadership/trusted-brands-2021/
https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-has-better-reputation-apple-google-and-other-tech-giants
https://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=37&year=1422
https://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=118&year=1352
https://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Rankings.aspx?rankingID=248&year=1365
@daniel_rubino Their rated rep and reality are two very different things. I mean ffs, one (spot reading) of the brands listed in your linked articles is Alipay in China. You can’t claim with a straight face that is legit. You’re conflating mixing security and privacy when they’re both different.
@daniel_rubino But in the sphere of home security / IoT, it’s mostly a vast wasteland of garbage and unregulated crap. That bar couldn’t get lower. And in privacy, Microsoft, along with amazon and google are atrocious. In terms of security, it flips - all three are actually quite good organizationally.
@theomegabit Privacy/security/trust all go hand in hand on this issue, doesn't matter. Again, Microsoft does rank well, or rather near the top (Amazon does do quite well, although I'd argue Ring has had some security concerns with footage, hacking, etc. in the past)
MS's role in cybersecurity is massive (see war in Ukraine and Russia's Fancy Bear)
https://www.newsweek.com/americas-most-trustworthy-companies-2022
https://www.marketingcharts.com/customer-centric/privacy-and-security-119158
https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-russia-fancy-bear-hackers-sinkhole-phishing/
@daniel_rubino Go hand in hand in which way?
You can be good at one and not the other. In the case of the big players (Amazon / Google / Microsoft) they are all quite good at security in their own ways. Truly. Privacy however, none of them are.
@theomegabit "Privacy however, none of them are."
Is this your opinion or is this backed up by consumer sentiment/data/evidence/independent ratings?
Becase I'm looking for data here on this topic, not conjecture.
@daniel_rubino To your point though, my previous response has numerous links, some of which touch on the various failures of Microsoft’s privacy practices, specifically.
@theomegabit Name a company that is involved with consumer security or privacy that is flawless.
Pointing out past issues or problems is not the same as consumer sentiment regarding trust in those companies (or independent rankings), which is the point I'm getting at.
I also can't name another non-Chinese tech company with the security nohow, cloud infrastructure, hardware abilities, and positive consumer sentiment besides MS that can scale in home security.
1) I never said anyone was flawless - merely that your inference that Microsoft would bring something new to the IoT privacy conversation (they won’t) was flawed because Microsoft is no better than the current players. Their well documented history of anti-privacy practices and poor comms is not only historic, but also current. I can keep pulling sources if you’d like.
2) your independent ranking are flawed in that they’re tightly scoped in reach and scope.
1/n
@theomegabit Look, we can just end this here as we're two ships in the night making different points.
Agree to disagree.