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Dan GillmorReminder that journalists who would never consider working for the Murdoch family's Fox "News" -- because they have too much integrity to participate in its relentless poisoning of our civic life -- continue to pour their work into Elon Musk's Twitter.
BduzBoop@dangillmor not only actively participating, I keep seeing one keep asking questions to boost her traffic. I was so disappointed. I understand the need to migrate slowly, this is their livelihood, but to just roll over. I lost respect, and to me, they no longer can point to ppl who do the same politically etc. without being hypocritical.
Mama Bean@dangillmor I locked my account and logged out a little over a month ago I guess. I’m ashamed to admit how much I miss it. Not what it’s become, but what it was pre Elon. This whole McCarthy debacle had me considering logging in today, but I knew I’d regret it.
GlenG🌻 - Support UkraineNo need to be ashamed. Similar feelings here but made a clean break and am fully deactivated so it’s much easier to “resist”.
It’s a great feeling to be fully free from Twitter.
There’s plenty enough going on here, and here, we have more opportunity to make this anything we want.
WTF@Gleng2 @beanbrightly @dangillmor I ‘m pleased for you. What I can’t stand is the judgmental crap and self-righteousness about it.
@beanbrightly @dangillmor Twitter is going nowhere. Most people on Twitter are on several platforms now. Post, Tribel, here etc. Twitter isn’t Elon Musk it’s the people that are on it.
Jerry Lambert@dangillmor yes yes yes this
Jay Thurber ShowYep. As a former editor of mine used to say, "we know what you are, we're negotiating your price."
A little bit of dignity and decorum is all that's needed. Sadly, we know what a lot of prominent journalists are. Their price turns out to be shockingly low.
Bob Wyman@jaythurbershow @dangillmor
Has any journalist or cultural historian ever written up a serious history of the origin and uses of the "now we're just negotiating your price" joke?
It seems to me that this is one of the best examples of a very small class of jokes that are most often referred to indirectly -- without re-telling.
Somebody should study this thing.
Jeremy Peppas@dangillmor I edit a local news site and I unhooked it from Twitter. Twitter never really drove that much traffic but I don’t miss it and don’t plan on ever using it again. I still maintain a personal twitter and use it to keep an eye on things.
@dangillmor They complain about Twitter on Twitter. They should just close their Twitter accounts instead.
Eternal Outsider@dangillmor That sounds pretty hypocritical to me.
Christine Hall@dangillmor I see your point, but there is a difference.
@BrideOfLinux In terms of reach, Murdoch still has more.
@dangillmor Oh, you betcha. Times of London, WSJ, NY Post, Fox News, etc.
fluffel@BrideOfLinux @dangillmor what is the difference you see here?
@fluffel @dangillmor
Because Fox News sells itself, and it's followers (mistakenly) believe it to be, a fact reporting news organization. While "news" is part of what Twitter does, it's a small part, and upfront there are no claims to accuracy. That's not a small distinction.
Because Fox News sells itself, and it's followers (mistakenly) believe it to be, a fact reporting news organization. While "news" is part of what Twitter does, it's a small part, and upfront there are no claims to accuracy. That's not a small distinction.
Eric J. Korpela@dangillmor Unfortunately, no journalists with mastodon accounts will ever see this post, because journalists don't follow anyone but other journalists. They all have 20K followers and follow 60.
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Dusty Beo@dangillmor This is true.
I can adapt. For now, he is the most talked about person on Earth & they're all clinging to the drama.
I can adapt. For now, he is the most talked about person on Earth & they're all clinging to the drama.
Maria BustillosEven worse, because as a publicly traded firm Fox has at least a small amount of govt oversight/responsibility to shareholders.
That's no longer the case with Twitter, which hasn't even got a board of directors now. Just the one freako.
Every journalist should get the heck off of there, it's actively dangerous to the free press, democracy and speech rights.
Patty Kimura@dangillmor The sad, stupid, and ironic part is that they believe the numbers of followers, likes, retweets Twitter supplies to them as proof of their "reach" (carrot) in exchange for ceding over control of their work (speech) without pay to a corporation that manipulates their "reach" by absolute control of (stick), and profit from, that reach. Musk is permanently suspending users, denying access to delete, and maintaining those accounts as "read only" zombie accounts.
DJDogfish@dangillmor so f-ing true!
Brett Glass - WY7BG@dangillmor Not the same thing, Dan. In a way, they’re hijacking Musk’s platform… to lead readers to accurate information on other sites. Elon isn’t editing their content, as Fox would. And by keeping Twitter active, they’re causing Twitter, a money loser, to lose even MORE money. In a sense, they’re pwning Elon. If they stopped, Twitter WOULD become the party line propaganda machine that Faux News is now.
Andrew@dangillmor Interesting point. Many newsrooms lean heavily on their staff to have a Twitter presence, so I wouldn't rush to judge reporters who are there.
One could make the same argument about Meta, by the way, which has a far more extensive track record of poisoning the public well. (You remember Cambridge Analytica, I'm sure.)
Michael del Castillo@dangillmor Still hoping he doesn't kill BlueSky! https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2022/09/11/jack-dorseys-former-boss-is-building-a-decentralized-twitter/?sh=3634a9d557c3
chuckumentary@dangillmor I’m sure there’s some hypocrisy there, but Fox editorial is more tightly directed and controlled. Twitter is much more what you (we) make of it, we’re all able to publish to a big receptive audience there and follow people who resonate.
@martlund 🌲🐶🇸🇪🇨🇱🌈@dangillmor Let's hope some of their work contaminates the maga fans
Jenn Dize, Courage News@dangillmor There is no option for an ethical social media site that has millions of built-in readers. We live in a society … and all that
M Horstmeier@dangillmor
A. Clout chasers too invested in their personality cult to walk away from follows
B. Operating off of some metric that says you have to have X number of followers to score a nice book advance
C. Think that journalism is just collecting a list of tweets on the Hot Take of the day and tying them together with some banal phrases
A. Clout chasers too invested in their personality cult to walk away from follows
B. Operating off of some metric that says you have to have X number of followers to score a nice book advance
C. Think that journalism is just collecting a list of tweets on the Hot Take of the day and tying them together with some banal phrases
@dangillmor I try not to be judgmental. Just sayin’
@dangillmor There are a lot of people who claim the high ground and still making their presence known on twitter.