Gerrit ImsiekeCan we agree that touch control instead of knobs is worse UX for often-used functionality?
Michael Sokolov@gimsieke touch screens have led a decades-long regression in user interface design. My current bugaboo: elevators lacking buttons and sometimes indeed any interior controls whatsoever. Once you're in you're committed. Who does this benefit?
Naomi Saphra@msokolov @gimsieke Those elevators are awesome. The benefit is that you can efficiently distribute destinations to elevator as though they can be express/local/heading to particular ranges of floor. In order to compute the most efficient allocation of destinations, you have to know each passenger's destination in advance.
These systems are particularly useful in very tall buildings. It sucks to get on a crowded elevator to floor 80 and have it stop on every other floor.
re-curse
slideman@gimsieke but I conflated the pre-selection issue with the touchscreen issue. I mostly dislike the lack of physical buttons since the touchscreens don't know how many digits you are going to enter they have a built-in delay and can't be used in parallel by multiple people. The pre-selection feature also introduces a weird delay since you have to wait to find out which elevator to get in.
Rosanna Cantavella
Norm Tovey-Walsh
Michael Piotrowski@gimsieke Affirmative.
Dethe Elza@gimsieke And virtual "knobs" are the absolute worst.
Ian K Tindale@gimsieke is this an AEG, the layout is very similar to our relatively new induction hob
I chose ours because the majority are worse than this, they often have one linear quantity control which you have to switch between hobs
The timer is a nuisance, if I have one hob in use, it doesn't necessarily target that as the thing I'm setting the timer for (it'll blindly let you set a timer for a hob that isn't in use), and also it jumps from 10 to 15, 20, etc in 5s, which means to set it at actual 10 you have to sort of slow down by 8 and stab it up to 10 or you'll be at 15 before you know it
Also, the whole interface is useless if you have wet hands - which I admit is a complete unlikelihood if you're in the kitchen etc
but I do like the 'pause button'
I chose ours because the majority are worse than this, they often have one linear quantity control which you have to switch between hobs
The timer is a nuisance, if I have one hob in use, it doesn't necessarily target that as the thing I'm setting the timer for (it'll blindly let you set a timer for a hob that isn't in use), and also it jumps from 10 to 15, 20, etc in 5s, which means to set it at actual 10 you have to sort of slow down by 8 and stab it up to 10 or you'll be at 15 before you know it
Also, the whole interface is useless if you have wet hands - which I admit is a complete unlikelihood if you're in the kitchen etc
but I do like the 'pause button'
@u0421793 What really annoys me is that you can't put anything on the controls. It's just wasted glass-ceramic space. At least it will beep indignantly if you do so lest anything you put there does harm by switching on a hob.
Kromeboy 
@gimsieke on something where liquids often spills? Sure! Is a kind of nightmare.
But it is easyer to cleen when you turn it off
Alex P. 👹@gimsieke
incredibly funny to think about what happens when a pot boils over
incredibly funny to think about what happens when a pot boils over
Graham Sutherland / Polynomial@gimsieke yeah I'm really not a fan of it on my new induction hob.
scott f@gimsieke My neighbor who was remodeling had to pay extra for knobs on their new stove. Manufacturers know the touch control is worse and are using this for price discrimination, apparently.
Jernej Simončič �
Sebastian Sylvan@gimsieke this is more cleanable though which is a big plus.
mmu_man@gimsieke a friend had to have this replaced because he couldn't see the controls anymore and nor feel them with the hand…
sxpert@gimsieke
in this particular instance, it's better because it makes it much easier to clean the hob...
the main issue I have with those is the design of the icons is rather unintuitive
in this particular instance, it's better because it makes it much easier to clean the hob...
the main issue I have with those is the design of the icons is rather unintuitive
Brendan Morley@gimsieke also, why is it on the hot surface?
Jyrgen N
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Pär Björklund
pillarist@gimsieke Touch the stove - DON'T TOUCH THE STOVE
Kofi Loves Efia 
@gimsieke so say we all
Tonya Marie 🏳️⚧️@gimsieke So touch controls on a surface that we should never touch (because, you know, HOT!) ? WTF?
Exandra@gimsieke well since I'm using an iPhone right now, er, no.
But I definitely agree that THIS UI is worse. Not only that but sharing the cooking service with the button that turns it off is a possibly fatal mistake. Especially when the control system responds to boiling hot fluids as if they are touch.
@Alexbbrown How do you adjust the volume on your iPhone?
@gimsieke To be pedantic, I use the touch controls on my AirPods half the time, and have turned off 50% of the volume control functionality (ringer volume) because of the physical buttons getting triggered by mistake and ending up with inaudible alerts.
But I take your point. I wouldn't mind a couple more buttons on the phone to drive a custom function.
@Alexbbrown @gimsieke These stovetops are sold on their own, so there really isn't anywhere else to put the controls.
@jernej__s @Alexbbrown But there can be knobs in the same unit: https://www.wayfair.de/Klarstein--Induktionskochplatte-Easycook-10034604-L838-K~LBNU4412.html
Or even knobs on a separate panel without a stove below, if only for devices with an integrated exhaust: https://www.moebelplus.de/kueppersbusch-kmi-9850-0-sr-k-series-8-induktionskochfeld-dunstabzug-kombination-mit-abluftfuehrung-rechts.html
Or even knobs on a separate panel without a stove below, if only for devices with an integrated exhaust: https://www.moebelplus.de/kueppersbusch-kmi-9850-0-sr-k-series-8-induktionskochfeld-dunstabzug-kombination-mit-abluftfuehrung-rechts.html
@gimsieke It is not ideal, but I have learned that with some getting used to it (got a new induction hob 2 years ago) it isn't that bad either. Given the possible alternatives (e.g. a row of knobs and things somewhere for which you may not have a good place) it is a decent compromise. The worst thing is the beeping when you put something ferromagnetic or wet on it, and that is only mildly annoying. But is is well reachable and visible, and that surface does *not* get hot. >>
@gimsieke Not for people with impaired vision, sure.
But recently I have cooked somewhere else with the row of knobs again, and TBH in between I prefer the touch controls due to their visibility.
But recently I have cooked somewhere else with the row of knobs again, and TBH in between I prefer the touch controls due to their visibility.
Marius Gundersen - mdg 🌻@gimsieke yes, especially in cars!
Richard "RichiH" Hartmann@gimsieke I would tend to agree, but in this case it gives you one extra drawer below the stovetop. Personally, I like this tradeoff as long as you have one slider per heated area.
Raphael@gimsieke @mcc I’ve found the compromise of “here are some squishy buttons” to be way more usable than what I experience with more aesthetic stoves
Nate 'Enemby' B@gimsieke
That is also ... very close to the 'hot enough to seriously injure you' section
That is also ... very close to the 'hot enough to seriously injure you' section
Tsad à vélo 
@gimsieke especially when any metallic or wet object that touches it triggers the touch control 😒
shyduroff@gimsieke … including because cats …
Chad Briggs@gimsieke My cat once managed to turn on the burner, too
@chadmbriggs Our late cat could do that with knobs, too, so we switched off the fuse when we left the house.
Am I?@gimsieke
https://ztove.com is the way I fixed that.
Also, a touch where you can just touch the setting you want is WAY better than touch buttons, but yes. Knobs > touch
@sbi
https://ztove.com is the way I fixed that.
Also, a touch where you can just touch the setting you want is WAY better than touch buttons, but yes. Knobs > touch
@sbi
sbi@ami I don't get it. How would cookware fix, that in order to use this stove, you need to touch the stove top—when it was drilled into us from childhood on that we should never do that? Or that you can't turn this off when something boils over?
Also, I have recently invested into cast-iron cooking ware, now I never want to have anything else, and why did it take me so long? (FTR, I have always hated, and never used, coated pans. But I only had one cast-iron pan, and zero pots.)
Also, I have recently invested into cast-iron cooking ware, now I never want to have anything else, and why did it take me so long? (FTR, I have always hated, and never used, coated pans. But I only had one cast-iron pan, and zero pots.)
@sbi
As with everything it is not a perfect solution.
The stove is Bluetooth enabled, as is the cookware, so you need to turn the cooktop on and start the plate you want, but then everything is controlled using the app, so you will not have to regulate using the controls, as it is set to a temperature, not a level.
Using other cookware you can set the power from the app, but the temperature sensor is in the pots and pans.
@ami The next-to-last thing on earth I want is a Bluetooth-enabled stove.
@ami The consumer product I want the least is an Internet-enabled TV.
I've been living without a TV for... *counts on his fingers* ...more than 35 years, so having such a beast seems appalling to me all by itself. Allowing the company which makes them to install their unmaintained Web SW in my living room in order to spy on me takes the cake, though.
Teflon pans are pretty high up on my unwanted list, of course. In that case, though, because I have experience with them. Bad experience.
I've been living without a TV for... *counts on his fingers* ...more than 35 years, so having such a beast seems appalling to me all by itself. Allowing the company which makes them to install their unmaintained Web SW in my living room in order to spy on me takes the cake, though.
Teflon pans are pretty high up on my unwanted list, of course. In that case, though, because I have experience with them. Bad experience.
tyil@gimsieke I don't think I've ever seen an induction stove with actual physical knobs instead of a touch-based interface. Would be interesting to see those, though.
Stefan Losch@gimsieke
If you realy like to bother someone who owns a modern stove with touch-control, please activate the child-protection-mode.
The person will need a very long time to deactivate this and make the device function again. 😜
If you realy like to bother someone who owns a modern stove with touch-control, please activate the child-protection-mode.
The person will need a very long time to deactivate this and make the device function again. 😜
@StefanLosch @gimsieke Touch the 🔑 button for 4 seconds?
No 😂😂😂
I use an inductive stove from IKEA (=Bauknecht?):
* Move any pots from the fireplaces
* then touch "key" symbol
* then slide from "9" to "0" (or vice versa? 🤔)