With our 7yo, we never pretended that Santa was real. We just told the truth.

People told us that we'd regret that decision. They told us that our kid wouldn't get as much joy or magic.

I've never regretted it.

He is so appreciative of the gifts. He shows us more love over the gifts than I did to my parents who did the Santa thing. He is joyous and experiences magic.

This year he got in on the fun. He got my wife & I to buy each other the exact same gift. We had no idea and he loved it.

@bryanhansel I don't think many children really believe in Santa anyway. Kids grow up reading fairy tales, so they KNOW what fiction is, and what it sounds like. They'll happily play pretend, but I think genuine belief in Santa would be a rare, rare thing.

Some evidence for this:

1) Kids will write letters to Santa if prompted...then beg their parents for the items on their list. They know who's buying.

2) Kids who ARE taught about Santa attend school with kids who aren't. They talk.

@bryanhansel If I had children, I'm not sure what I'd do. I'm not Christian and don't celebrate Christmas, but I wouldn't want my kids to feel left out if all their friends were doing Christmas things. I suppose I'd probably tell them about Santa, but present it as a fun story to learn about over the holidays.

@packbawky have you been around many kids?

Kids who believe in Santa believe in Santa.

Evidence:
1) My kid's friends literally believing in Santa.
2) Memories (bad ones from being one of the last kids to figure it out). Remembering even when kids in my class were talking that I didn't believe my parents would lie about it.

@bryanhansel I have! I used to work in childcare. But the fact that I haven't met any kids who believe in Santa doesn't invalidate your experiences. There could be a lot of variation in belief vs. non-belief based on culture, location, social class, and so on.

I'd have had a hard time taking Santa as fact growing up, as the entire Christian religion was presented to me as mythology. Santa was part of that, so of course he wasn't real. Might be different for Christian kids.

@packbawky If you are interested, you could read this research paper. It has 85% of American 4yos believing in Santa, and it declines from there to 25% at 8.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1939-0025.1978.tb02566.x

@bryanhansel Thanks for the link! I'll read it in the morning, as it's late.

I didn't grow up in the USA, so it's likely I had a pretty different experience of the Christmas season and the stories surrounding it than an American kid would get. 85% feels like a REALLY high number, as only around 60% of Americans are Christian, but I'm definitely willing to believe the number is higher than I thought.

@packbawky I think a significant number of people who aren't Christian give gifts to their kids at the holidays. I personally know a few including myself. PEW puts it at 81% of non-Christian Americans celebrate it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/12/18/celebrating-christmas-and-the-holidays-then-and-now/#religious-observance-of-christmas

Celebrating Christmas and the Holidays, Then and Now

Nine-in-ten Americans say they celebrate Christmas, and three-quarters say they believe in the virgin birth of Jesus. But only about half see Christmas mostly as a religious holiday, while one-third view it as more of a cultural holiday.

Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
@bryanhansel Oh, yes--I got gifts as a child, myself. But they all had cards on them, saying who they were from, and on Boxing Day, we'd write thank you notes to the senders. This is another reason genuine belief in Santa Claus struck me as unlikely. If you're writing five or ten thank you notes, and none of them are to Santa, the penny's got to drop, right? Kids are so curious--they ask endless questions. They'd wonder about that.
@bryanhansel (I mentioned not being Christian, though, because if you're not Christian, you're probably more likely to see ALL the Christmas stories as fiction. If you don't think Jesus is real, it seems unlikely you'd think Santa was real. You'd just enjoy the cool stories and the celebrations, and the time with your friends.)
@packbawky I'm glad that your family had that tradition. It seems nice.
@bryanhansel Yes, it was rather--I liked drawing little pictures of me wearing/playing with my presents in all the thank you cards. (In truth, I thought EVERYONE did that on Boxing Day, but it sounds like there's more variation in how people celebrate than I thought.)