Taylor LorenzJournalists will never stick around this app long term sadly unless it adds quote posting. We desperately need it to communicate effectively, build on each others ideas, and add crucial context to posts. These are things replies simply do not accomplish. Also quote posting or reblogging does not = harassment! Tumblr, for instance, has had the feature since the beginning. We need it here now too 🙏🏻
Long Truong @taylorlorenz quote posting is available with alternative server software! I wish more people knew this
@Lxtruong I’m dumb how does this work? I’m on the app and I don’t see a way to do it and everything shows as links there’s not even link previews 😰
rootless@taylorlorenz @Lxtruong which app? I’ve used two (Mastodon and Toot!) plus the web app, and am about to try a third.
@rootless @taylorlorenz here is my answer and example. Basically it's a server side thing right now. Maybe there will be an app that renders it with Mastodon but I'm unaware of one that does it.
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soletan 🇺🇦🐸@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @rootless Alas, this way you are causing extra load for those people who have to moderate trends on their instances for they have to check your post AND that link.
Apart from that: I don't follow this discussion fulltime, but what I am missing are some reasons given for why e.g. journalists need quoting in a similar way Gargron explained why he decided not to have it aboard. I keep reading, that quoting is essential to you guys w/o ever explaining why.
@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @rootless Stating that quoting e.g. is creating "crucial context" to a post or quoting is for effective communication, this is still fuzzy to me and sounds like reasons given for the sake of discussing, only. We have discussion timelines. If you respond, how is this lacking context to your post? If those timelines don't work, let's talk about that first. But with those in mind I don't see the benefit of quoting.
@soletan @taylorlorenz @rootless
To me the benefits of QTing are self evident, it provides immediate context. Look in your email inbox and find the last forwarded email you received. Now imagine if the sender had just forwarded the email with no additional input and the followed up with a separate email discussing the forwarded email. It'd be way harder to read! You'd constantly have to open one and then the other to understand the discussion! If you're unlucky, another email will come in at the wrong time and slip inbteween making things even more confusing!
To me the benefits of QTing are self evident, it provides immediate context. Look in your email inbox and find the last forwarded email you received. Now imagine if the sender had just forwarded the email with no additional input and the followed up with a separate email discussing the forwarded email. It'd be way harder to read! You'd constantly have to open one and then the other to understand the discussion! If you're unlucky, another email will come in at the wrong time and slip inbteween making things even more confusing!
@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @soletan the thing I want to get to is along these lines—ignoring the feature itself, what are you really trying to do? In this telling, draw attention to something and make a comment (establish the object of the comment so that you can make the comment)
@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @rootless My email inbox features thread view for it rather safely matches related mails even if they lack referencing each other. OTOH, I don't look into those tails of endless replies that come with every new mail either. Quoting in context of MICROblogging seems to be quite redundant in many ways.
What if you boost, then reply? The original post and your reply would appear in your account's timeline. On clicking either post, no new but unrelated posts disturb, too.
@soletan @taylorlorenz @rootless
Boost then reply don't work as well as quote replying if for no reason other than there is no guarantee that they will show up in sequential order in your followers feed. If another post slips in between, it's less confusing.
See the attached example where a person is translating a non-English post. If you boost then translate AND some George Takei post slips in between, that'd be incomprehensible!
attached is an example of context where a boost then reply would not work. Poster is translating another post.
Boost then reply don't work as well as quote replying if for no reason other than there is no guarantee that they will show up in sequential order in your followers feed. If another post slips in between, it's less confusing.
See the attached example where a person is translating a non-English post. If you boost then translate AND some George Takei post slips in between, that'd be incomprehensible!
attached is an example of context where a boost then reply would not work. Poster is translating another post.
@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @rootless If you click on the reply, it will be rendered separately from any post that isn't related to it. It might even show you the original post someone was replying to. And if you click on that original post, you'll get it with more replies to it. Nothing's disturbing there ...
@soletan @taylorlorenz @rootless how would you know to click through? Could just be her tagging Takei in a post or replying to a post. Are we supposed to click through every post?
Look it's not like it's literally impossible to figure out life without quote toots, but I think you're just fooling yourself if you're pretending that a boost+reply is equivalent no extra work has the same information as a QT. It's just not so.
Look it's not like it's literally impossible to figure out life without quote toots, but I think you're just fooling yourself if you're pretending that a boost+reply is equivalent no extra work has the same information as a QT. It's just not so.
@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @rootless As a SW developer I'm sure that you hardly find two users of the same application that actually use it in the same way but ask for different features to achieve the same purpose. I don't think it's about fooling oneself. It's about whether software has to bend for the user or vice versa. We might disagree on that one, too. IMHO Mastodon isn't Twitter but serves the same purpose in a different way. As users we could adapt to that.
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@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @rootless For example, MacOS doesn't require start menu just because I am familiar with it as a long term Windows user. However, I can use both systems to send and receive mails, browse the web, write documents, create software, print stuff, whatever. I don't expect anyone to consider adding a feature that's missing in either eco system if the ultimate argument is "It's just (not) so." Then, I'm neither fooling myself nor feeling convinced in a rational way.
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@Lxtruong @taylorlorenz @rootless Finally, that's not my decision to make at all. I really hope you are getting that feature, though I doubt it is coming anytime soon. Maybe, the community discussion is going to shift the bias on it some day enabling keen code contributors to provide a patch for that feature.
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