The debate about QTs is interesting because as far as I tell, all sides are correct.

• QTs let you introduce a topic to your followers w/ tailored commentary (Black Twitter is the best at this)

• They bring fame & attention to the worst people in the world

• They cause dogpiles

• They’re a great format for humor, which 🦣 needs more of

• They are often performative dunking “look at this loser”

• They let you address a side issue or add a different perspective w/o derailing the primary convo

Should Mastodon add a QT feature? Obviously I have mixed feelings about QTs. Most of the commentary I’ve seen from Black Mastodonians says yes, it’s empowering to marginalized folks. So if we’re voting, I vote yes.
I’m not going to be interacting with the replies. I already said you’re all correct about QTs, and I believe that you are. There’s more than one way to feel about them.
And this isn’t Twitter, it’s Mastodon, where there is moderation and users generally have more customization options.
I find QTs annoying or threatening 75% of the time, funny or enlightening 25% of the time. But my user experience, as a privileged person on most axes, is the least important consideration.
They’d be beating my ass in the QTs right now — if they could
Some of you exclusively follow people like me and it shows
I accidentally dogwhistled to my fellow complacent whites by saying “all sides are correct”
@sbarolo
OK you are definitely poking the metaphorical bear with this one 😂

@sbarolo when privileged people say "quote tweets made twitter nastier" they gloss over how many times "nastier" meant "exposed me to discomfort".

It doesn't always mean that, of course. But many people on mastodon are pathological about being comfortable.

What made twitter powerful and meaningful was the energy it brought to social change by exposing people to new and sometimes uncomfortable ideas. If mastodon wants to stay nice over everything, it will never serve as a public forum

@shrewshrew @sbarolo

I'm open to uncomfortable ideas and Mastodon will absolutely provide / has absolutely provided such as this one.

Just with less hate.

Less hate mainly because there's no incentive to induce rage.

@kevpluck @sbarolo

this isn't about incentives. Quoting isnt an incentive. It's a function. It's an affordance.

If, as you assert, the incentives for "inducing rage" aren't there, then why limit valuable *functionality*?

@shrewshrew @sbarolo seems another aspect of mastodon I'm getting used to is seeing a toot and not recognising it's part of a thread.

My apologies for not checking the context of your comment.

I do miss QT but as been mentioned it's a double edged sword.

@shrewshrew @sbarolo
Li'l Nas X would QT the awful homophobic abuse he was constantly getting. Was that a celebrity encouraging his fans to pile on? Why yes, yes it was. Was that in any way a bad thing? No, as it turns out, I don't believe it was.
@sbarolo I think/hope QT will not transform mastodon into the bad of twitter, but might add some of the fun/referencing, if done correctly. Bad people can do bad stuff w/o need for QT (and I personally find screenshots worse)but I hear all the concerns. I also think QT use over there changed / improved with time, or maybe I blocked / limited better

@sbarolo But how can I virtue signal unless I can QT someone else’s great post and say “This 👇🏽”?

(BTW, I agree with all your above posts.)

@sbarolo I'm hoping that if it does come to Mastodon (hopefully w/ the ability to disable it on your account and per post) then the fact that the servers aren't actively PROMOTING and pushing fights will mean it just won't be the same tool for dogpiling it became on twitter.

Twitter is built from the ground up to let me know who the "hated main character" of the day is, from the second I log on. Mastodon doesn't have that, so far.

@adrew

@sbarolo

I do like the idea (which I've seen floated a few times) of having a customizable opt-in function for quoting.

@sbarolo I think yes, but the OP needs to know they’ve been QT, be able to restrict if they want to be QTd/know about it

Otherwise it’s gonna lead to more screenshot post which I don’t like.

I like QT as a way of referencing especially when doing SoMe journal clubs etc

@scullingmonkey @sbarolo

Yes. I’m firmly in favor of weighting control in favor of the person whose post is being shared and discussed.

@sbarolo QT is far too passive aggressive in the wrong hands and becomes a tool that oppressors use against you. Far better to respond directly.
@sbarolo everyone is going to give you all the reasons why they disagree so I'm just chiming in to say I agree with you. First time for everything
@shrewshrew this is a trick, right
@sbarolo no you should try being right more often, it would save me a ton of time
@shrewshrew 😂 shouldn’t you be warming up for the big song and dance number at the finale of #jamfest

@sbarolo

"They let you address a side issue or add a different perspective w/o derailing the primary convo"

Isn't that just learning to use threading? And a UI issue? Since the official Twitter client does such a poor job of displaying and interacting with threads, people aren't used to them. The client I use here, fedilab, displays the threads, but doesn't let you fold them. Ideally, if there were a subthread you don't care about, you would simply hide it. Even better, ignore it completely.

@sbarolo for your first point:

"QTs let you introduce a topic to your followers w/ tailored commentary (Black Twitter is the best at this)"

I don't think I know / understand what you are talking about. Do you have an example?

@sbarolo anything that stops dogpiles should be carefully weighed - I so love the different vibe so far on mastodon.

@sbarolo

I'm one of those who has seen quotes used mostly in a positive way, but I can see that some communities have seen it used in mostly negative ways, so I understand it's a difficult question.

But I've seen interesting ideas in the other discussion, like making it opt-in/ opt-out if you want your toots quoted or not.

Or add a preview function for links to other toots.

Would that be a compromise that could work for those who had a negative experience with quotes?