Taylor LorenzDec 23, 2022
“Hell, no. I’m not deleting a tweet that contained factual information and didn’t violate anyone’s rules.
It’s [Musk’s] platform. He can ban anyone he wants. And we can point out how he’s making up pretextual rules that just so happen to target journalism he doesn’t like,” said @drewharwell
https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/12/23/musk-twitter-journalists-suspended-elonjet/ #twittermigration #twitterexodus #elonmusk #news #journalism
Journalists who won’t delete Musk tweets remain locked out of Twitter

Musk suspended reporters from Twitter and later reinstated them, with a catch: They must delete tweets related to the account @ElonJet, which has tracked Musk’s plane using public data.

The Washington Post
Show threadGabriela Noriega 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇧🇷Dec 23, 2022

@taylorlorenz @drewharwell "It's Musk's platform and he can ban whoever he wants."

I beg to disagree. This is an overly American and property based view of free speech.

In Brazil (and probably most other Civil Law places), free speech is a right of the individual and just like your employer or a business cannot infringe on your right to health, they cannot infringe on your right to free speech.

Show threadRyan SmithDec 24, 2022

@gabri @taylorlorenz @drewharwell In the US, you have freedom of speech from the government. That’s right doesn’t extend to freedom from restriction from everyone else.

Personally, I think that’s right. You can be asked to leave someone’s house for being rude. You can be removed from a website for being racist.

Show threadGabriela Noriega 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇧🇷Dec 24, 2022

@realitythreek @taylorlorenz @drewharwell I agree that it's the law in the US but I still think it's a shitty law.

In the Brazilian legal system, free speech when applied to private entities is highly dependent on context.

And here you can be put in jail for promoting racism or just for racially insulting someone. Also homophobia and transphobia count as racism here.

Show threadRyan SmithDec 24, 2022
@gabri @taylorlorenz @drewharwell I’m probably just ignorant of the law in Brazil but that doesn’t sound very free. The way you’re describing it, they could stay on social media but face jailing instead.
I’d argue that freedom of speech as it’s done in the US is right (for us) but we need more carve outs of that freedom for hate speech. For instance, we should have moderation requirements that public companies (of say twitter’s size) have to follow.
Show threadGabriela Noriega 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇧🇷

@realitythreek @taylorlorenz @drewharwell If Brazil, courts can order the deletion of racist and defamatory content online. But in cases of racism it's usually done by the platforms anyway.

Platforms can have their own rules and ban people but these rules cannot be arbitrary or excessive.

For example, ENEM (our SAT/gaokao) had a rule that essays contrary to human rights would get zero. But our courts later decided that this rule was excessive...

Dec 24, 2022 at 12:42amWeb
Show threadGabriela Noriega 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇧🇷Dec 24, 2022

@realitythreek @taylorlorenz @drewharwell ... and so this ENEM rule was toned down.

Another example was of a math teacher fired from a religious school for comments contrary to the religious ideology made outside of class. The judge in the case said the firing was unlawful but commented that if he was a teacher of religion instead the firing would've been legal.

(I'm telling these examples from memory so the details can be wrong)