Thinking about the huge role universities with .edu domains and students on those systems play in keeping email a protocol.

Also the value in many kids having experience with non-gmail systems at college--- although I hear that is changing.

Also thinking about how schools don't want to run social media (who can blame them) but is it better to throw the kids to rando companies?

Could we create structures to help schools feel OK about providing social media systems?

@futurebird back when I was a kid, my school had a BBS that we all used. And I really enjoyed the hell out of that. I could log in all night long and chat with people at school. It was the original social media ๐Ÿ˜‚

As for email, I have my own email instances and domains. I don't trust things like Google. I like to have complete control over my email. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ

@antiproton

I find that people freak out preemptively too much about schools running social media. I worked on a summer camp once for NYC kids. During the pandemic we were concerned that the social aspects of the camp would suffer. So, we gave every singe student a social media account on an in-house twitter-like platform.

The kids who were age 12-15 LOVED it. They made memes, solved math puzzles and could ask for help from teachers.

Since they knew teachers were on it moderation was easy.

@antiproton

I must have read 1000s of posts on that thing. I had to do one mod tasks all summer:

1. remove some song lyrics with a swear word and tell the kid to not post swear words

That was it.

@futurebird It may not be entirely related, but archeology is also my thing. Humans sort of evolved for small groups. Our brains seem to like little groups of maybe 50 to 150 people. There have been plenty of studies on this.

Honestly, it's hard for human psychology to deal with zillions. This is one reason we're so impersonal and mean to each other in vast online spaces. So there could be significant merit to small spaces

@antiproton

I have some ... qualms about the notion that people "evolved" to live in small groups. Because if you want to look for a difference between us and neanderthals group size seems to be one.

And the fist groups of people living together in thousands keep getting pushed earlier and earlier.

Counter hypothesis Homo sapiens sapiens succeed because we could cooperate in much larger groups.

People in every part of the world build cities as soon as they have the resources to do so.

@futurebird @antiproton I took a class in undergrad where the professor, Paul Bingham, was pushing a similar theory that humans success has been driven by our ability to enforce rules upon individuals making group life feasible. The type of weapon would determine the structure of society starting with throwing rocks, to the more hierarchal weapons in feudal times, and democracy coming from the development of guns that were more accessible to the masses.
@DrMartenz @futurebird I'm not sure I would accept that hypothesis. I've never been a big fan of a hypothesis that's unilateral. We have piles of societies that were quite large where there's no real evidence of martial enforcement, such as the Cucuteni (One of the antagonists in my last novel lol). There may be a correlation, but I would suppose that it's a parametric correlation