PwnallthethingsDec 16, 2022
I've been following the build up and war daily for well over a year and I will never get used to the fact that a major European country and its capital is under weekly massive assault with cruise missiles and strategic bombers to disable its basic infrastructure like heat and power in a war overtly attempting colonialist conquest.
Show threadEnrique Barcelli

@Pwnallthethings Would have it been OK if this was happening in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East or Asia?

Atrocities are atrocities in whatever context.

I hope you didn't mean it in the way it came out.

You are still on time to amend your comments.

Dec 16, 2022 at 7:59amWeb
Show threadSSFC KDT (MOVED)Dec 16, 2022
@kikobar @Pwnallthethings idk when it became acceptable to demand people conform their opinions to yours but I hope it wasn't today
Show threadEnrique BarcelliDec 16, 2022

@ssfckdt @Pwnallthethings
I am not demanding to conform with my opinion.

I just genuinely thought they didn't mean it.

If that was what they meant... it is just sad.

Show threadKarv′, from the ashes 🇪🇺🇺🇦Dec 16, 2022
@kikobar @Pwnallthethings Following your logic it would be okay for you if it would have happened in North America. But "you are still on time to amend your comments".
Show threadEnrique BarcelliDec 16, 2022
@Karv @Pwnallthethings
Of course not either. It would be unacceptable in whatever context.
Show threadKarv′, from the ashes 🇪🇺🇺🇦Dec 16, 2022
@kikobar @Pwnallthethings Okay, context: After 2 world wars started in Europe no one expected another major war to come. They wrote about what's currently happening in Europe - you felt it would be okay for them if there'd be a war somewhere else as mentioning a specific continent in your opinion leaves out others. Yet you yourself didn't mention North America or Oceania. Their context is Europe's history. You created a wholly different context and did what you blame others for.
Show threadEnrique BarcelliDec 16, 2022

@Karv @Pwnallthethings
Fair enough.

I believe it was me who took it the wrong way, and I apologize.

Bottom line, I think neither of us can believe we can do this again to anyone anywhere in the world after all our combined history, and that is why it is so disturbing.

Show threadKarv′, from the ashes 🇪🇺🇺🇦Dec 16, 2022

@kikobar @Pwnallthethings We all make mistakes sometimes, don't worry too much.

Most of the world is stable. In Asia there is a small chance of a conflict that could grow. The middle east sadly is a powder keg with possible civil wars or minor conflicts - but I doubt a major one would start.

No one expected the invasion and atrocities carried out by the russists either... it was "just sabre-rattling". Stable democracies probably won't start wars. Not sure about autocracies etc. though.

Show threadD³Dec 16, 2022

@kikobar it's very possible the thing that makes this war more disturbing, and thus "unthinkable," than some other possibilities is that it's a nuclear-armed power seeking to absorb a neighbor, with all of the geopolitical risks that entails.

You're of course right that wars of conquest ought to be unacceptable anywhere, but the capacity of both the target and the rest of the world to respond is more limited in this instance, and that means we're all a bit on edge.

Show threadCharles Edward MilesDec 16, 2022
@kikobar @Pwnallthethings I didn't read his post that way. You can be shocked it's happening in one place and still oppose it happening somewhere else. War is an atrocity, always, wherever it happens.