I see so many posts about how problematic it is to remain on the birdsite as if raising awareness is the only step needed to migrate off it.

Off boarding communities from Twitter is going to take a lot of work. It will require champions and concerted attention and effort to do.

Not to mention a bunch more dev and product work.

This feels particularly acute to me because i remember how much work it was to get journalists and others *onto* Twitter.
@ted There isn't a proper plaform for journalists yet. Mastodon feels like the creators want to promote conversation and demote broadcasting, and huh, broadcasting is the main thing that journalists do. #FediMeta
@frandroid Journalists use platforms like twitter for many different reasons! And the news business isn't monolithic either. People play different roles in learning, writing and sharing about things happening in the world.
@ted @frandroid I'm afraid Post will cynically attract them. Sadly, designing for dollars has a history of winning over designing for humans. Thus passed the free internet at the beginning of the millennium.
@elight @frandroid I'm pretty skeptical. Lots of folks try to spin up platforms and healthier social networks that don't retain folks. What's going to keep either users or journalists on Post.news? I don't see it yet, and they have all the onboarding & discoverability problems that new platforms have.

@ted @frandroid Confusion to the enemy.

I hope the #fediverse, or some even more suitably equitable solution with strong moderation facilities wins. I am weary of the internet as defined by capitalism. I miss the halcyon days of the late 90s when the internet felt open to all.

@elight had me at "confusion to the enemy"

@elight @ted @frandroid
I'm trying to make sure to encourage due diligence about who the financial backers are of any social media site that Ex-Twitter-denizens might flee to.

And I stress how long those communities took to build (not to mention the employees who wrote the code, maintained the site, etc.) and how quickly one rich guy was able to burn it down.

They've shown us what they will do at a whim (planned or not, that's what it feels like). And I urge folks not to ever allow that to happen again.

@d3xtro @ted @frandroid "Not allow"? Most of us have difficulty turning away from the bounty of the great god, Profit, when it reveals itself.

@elight @ted @frandroid you're right, but when the Profit god shows up and torches the place for entertainment (arguably) I hold out some sliver of hope that maybe, just maybe enough people won't want to endure round 2 a few years down the road.

It's not like Profit likes to share anyway. :)

@frandroid @ted That’s pretty true of national journalism, but I’ve found the local freelance reporters to be a lot more interested in engaging one-on-one—and I find their work more useful anyway.
@ted And, as many Black twitter users have said after trying mastodon, a lot less racism.

@herhandsmyhands @ted

Mastodon has racism. Claiming it is not is self-evidently false.

I think it's a problem connected to spaces built by white people. They include white supremacy because that's just the default setting.

I think that Mastodon has potential to be less racist and possibly even anti-racist. Twitter does not.

Atlanta Antifascists :antifa: (@[email protected])

Just finished this fascinating interview on Black Twitter and the whiteness of Mastodon, by @[email protected]: https://techpolicy.press/the-whiteness-of-mastodon/ We will be moving more and more short form content over here from Twitter, and while we're happy with Kolektiva, we think the larger Fediverse should consider these issues and take them to heart. We haven't personally seen cases on Kolektiva, but many BIPOC users have had issues with racism on the Fediverse, often in the area of tone policing. Here's a good quote from the piece: "Now, having said all of that, right, Mastodon is a very white space. It draws upon some of the values and some of the interests of indie web producers, of the DIY tech community, wherein there’s this sense of rugged individualism. The open source nature means that you can make your own stuff, and this motivates some of the kinds of responses that Mastodonians will make to users who say that there are certain features that aren’t available, that there are certain content guidelines and moderation policies that tend to act as social norms on Mastodon itself." One thing we would like to respond to is this section near the end: "You could easily have an entire instance of right-wing white supremacists pop up that would engage in targeted harassment of users of color." This has actually already happened in 2019. The "instance" in question is Gab. While we weren't actively posting on Mastodon at the time, we follow and still follow people on Gab very closely, because many of them are hardcore neo-Nazis who use Gab to carry out IRL harassment campaigns and attacks. When Gab moved from Twitter-like architecture to using a fork of the Mastodon software, it was quickly walled off from the larger Fediverse. (https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork-of-mastodon/) Therefore, regular Fediverse users remain fairly protected: they/we are not in any more danger from the Gab basement Nazis than a regular person who isn't on the Fediverse at all. However, the larger point about targeted harassment still stands. As more and more people move into the Fediverse, it's crucial to keep talking about open issues like the whiteness of Mastodon, answer questions by new users patiently, and not dismiss problems/concerns along the lines of "this is the way it's always been/just make your own instance/get used to it or go back to Twitter." :antifa: #BlackMastodon

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@ted Yes! Especially when exploration and discovery tools on other platforms (including this one) are so lacking!

Quote Toots would be nice too.

@js_rubin @ted

Have a look at the #MastodonIsBoring and the #DontSpreadHate tags for an alternative view on QT.

@ted But, do we really want everyone to migrate?
@ted we're here. We're queer. We're using this.