Loren HallDec 8, 2022

As a person with a foot in each camp, who trains his own models from images of his own artwork, I'm curious...

It seems traditional artists have an aversion to AI art, and vice-versa, but art gourmands seem all over the place. I appreciate any shares/votes on this!

What is your opinion on AI art? #Art #MastoArt #AIart #ArtistsOnMastodon #Poll

I like it!
33.3%
It's ok if the AI is trained on your own artwork.
29.8%
I only approve under other specific conditions.
22.8%
I don't like it under any circumstances.
14%
Poll ended at .
Show threadRicós has movedDec 11, 2022
@lorenhall I think this isn't about tools, it's about human behaviours we perceive as immoral. I could be a traditional artist and be exploitative, dishonest or.. I don't know, just be an ass about it, and I hope people would be outraged, because I'd deserve the hate. Lately we're seeing AI advances that are clearly dick moves made by companies. We are against that because we think they're harmful, but I don't think anyone in their right mind would think that what you do is wrong. Luddites aside
Show threadLoren Hall

@enriquericos To be clear I don't have a problem with AI art at all, even when the models are trained on all possible images (not just your own) because I believe in personal empowerment through creativity - but IMO we need to be attributing our work accurately, and honestly. If it's a remix of another's work, say so. If it's rendered in their style, say so. If you used AI to render the image at all, say so. The images will still be unique.

Beyond that, just have fun and take the world back!

Dec 11, 2022 at 2:25pmWeb
Show threadRicós has movedDec 11, 2022

@lorenhall Yeah, I got you, it's about being honest about what we're doing. And I think you get me too, but I'll clarify: AI is cool and I'm pretty sure I'll use it, predatory practices are not (I'm thinking datasets without consent, used to replace the artists that fed them), dishonest uses of AI, like with any other tool, aren't OK either.
Tools change but the same ethic rules apply.

BTW, I'm struggling with English and the character limit!

Show threadLoren HallDec 11, 2022

@enriquericos You speak English better than a lot of native speakers!

It's one thing to use the legacies of long-dead artists, which is what I see a lot, but what about people in 2022? Someone could just download my 2k images from twitter, make a GAN, & generate "my artwork" all day. Would I be 100% okay with that, as long as the person who generated it attributed it correctly - even if they sold it?

Within limits, yes. Just don't open an etsy store with my name on it lol.

That's just me tho.

Show threadRicós has movedDec 11, 2022

@lorenhall Well, I'm trying to improve my English, thank you.
And the Etsy argument is just on point, profit and intent are key. Also, the way I see it, the references we've learned are comparable to the datasets AIs use, I can't avoid having learned from Monet or Velázquez, that's not a bad thing, forgery is.

If someone remixed my work... I could be flattered or angry, it all depends on how it's done.