I don't understand what you mean by "the voting spread". Adams had more first round ballots than anyone, and would have won a first-past-the-post election. https://www.vote.nyc/sites/default/files/pdf/election_results/2021/20210622Primary%20Election/rcv/024306_1.html

Adams would have beaten every other candidate in a one-on-one contest. Who else should win?

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@BlueDot the thing you gotta remember about these after election analyses is that the campaign matters. I think it's wrong to think that, for example, Adams's voters would have always chosen their second ranking over their third automatically in a head to head race between the two. So the whole Condorcet thing is a bit wishy washy to me.

I think the only thing you can tell from the records of an election is who won that election, not who would have won in a different election in an alternate universe.

@afowles I think I understand what you're saying: a one on one contest between, say, Adams and Garcia might have been a different campaign than the one that was waged.

Still, if a voter marks the ballot for, say, Adams at #2 and Garcia at #3, I cannot imagine what that voter could possibly mean other than they would prefer Adams to Garcia.

I may not like Adams as a mayor, but it's unambiguously true that he's the one New York voters prefer. If there's evidence to the contrary, educate me.

@BlueDot their preferences may have come out differently in a non RCV election. Maybe Garcia would have come out differently in a non RCV campaign and hit people differently.

This was a partisan primary, so it's not as easy as saying dems will always vote for Dems and repubs will always vote for repubs. Like a nonpartisan race it's more nuanced.

@afowles So there's some kind of Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle for elections?

We may be overthinking this. We already know #RankedChoiceVoting is guaranteed to produce the #Condorcet winner (if there IS a Condorcet winner). This particular primary election could have been fought differently, but was not. My earlier question---somehow the thread no longer includes the person I asked---wasn't "Could it have been different?" but rather "In what way did we not get the right outcome?"

@BlueDot there are folks out there who claim that RCV can violate "monotonicity" but I think they're all blowing smoke. These are the people who think Begich should have won in Alaska.
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