Khashoggi’s GhostYou can't treat the "viewpoints" of two sides as equal when you know one side is lying.
TrisResists
HerreMörker@Bargdaffy @UROCKlive1 oh I like that! Can I steal this pls - partly to share, but also as a memento of a maths thing I actually understood !
Kaj Amm@UROCKlive1 I'm so tired of all normalization of ridiculous things. We were raised better than this, I thought we were a somewhat intelligent society.
Quantum@Kajamm @UROCKlive1 This is the misconception i persistently fall for. Assuming that everybody uses their intelligence like i do. Time after time i am proven wrong.
Kat 
@QuantumAspect @Kajamm @UROCKlive1 it's worse than that, we're dealing with people with a completely different reality and set of "logic", they think they are using their brain.
@Kajamm @UROCKlive1 Me too! And I'm so tired of people being told I shpuld be more tolerant of things that are, in themselves, intolerance.
Anders Tapola@UROCKlive1 exactly! That's called false balance.
Terra Jones@UROCKlive1 so much of these fallacies about balance that come from CNN and other mainstream media sources, they're all about keeping up appearances. These people know better. They know that it's one side that's the problem. They know it's one side that's doing terrorism. But they can help themselves but to use weasel words.
@UROCKlive1 most things the rights say aren't viewpoints or opinions, they're active oppressive beliefs and don't warrant any respect or space to be given whatsoever.
Lillian@UROCKlive1
Ain't that the truth!
Ain't that the truth!
Deji@UROCKlive1 glad to see you here on #masto
RichardOntario
Peter RelphJust be aware however that both sides could be lying, or a degree beyond that again, there really is only one side & any apparent contention between them is a pantomime conducted by the media who are owned by the same people who own the one effective party.
This is the case in the Australia & presumably in the UK & even the US, although the US may well be too insane even for that.
Yuki 
@peterrelph2 from what I've seen the US two party system is more like a ratchet, democrats being the pawl and republicans being the gear. when democrats are in power, pretty much nothing changes; when republicans are in power, everything gets worse. https://yewtu.be/6LPuKVG1teQ
How The United States Ended Up With Two Right-Wing Parties
We hear a lot about the Democrats being "the radical left." Most of us know this obviously isn't the case, but what many Americans don't realize is that the Democrats should not be considered left-wing at all. In this episode we're exploring the ratchet effect and the long rightward shift of the Democratic Party. How The United States Ended Up With Two Right Wing Parties – Second Thought SUBSCRIBE HERE: http://bit.ly/2nFsvTS music by Sam Kužel - https://samkuzel.com/ New video every Friday! Citations and Further Reading: Past videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULYWIDcUOY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW-ImCVDsWk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Run78z__8jw Ratchet Effect http://www.stanleydundee.com/michaeljsmith-ratchet-politics.html https://www.stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/stopme/chapter02.html Statistics https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/29/increasing-share-of-americans-favor-a-single-government-program-to-provide-health-care-coverage/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/04/22/most-americans-support-a-15-federal-minimum-wage/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/americans-support-marijuana-legalization/ https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/461106-majority-of-voters-support-free-college-eliminating-student-debt https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/07/28/upshot/infrastructure-breakdown.html https://www.securityreform.org/commentary/2021/4/20/congressional-progressives-must-reject-bidens-regressive-budget https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2F1b2435b0-a78c-11eb-aa50-9b69ffa3e0d5-standard.png?dpr=1&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=700 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/us/politics/trump-tax-plan-wealthy-middle-class-poor.html Biden https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/02/minimum-wage-joe-biden-neera-tanden https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/18/biden-governors-minimum-wage-469898 https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/02/joe-biden-amazon-workers-unionizing-labor https://theweek.com/talking-points/1001297/biden-alabama-coal-miners-strike https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/04/joe-biden-100-days-trump https://www.ft.com/content/fc5b78ce-f730-4e92-b31d-82cedae08f08 https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/06/biden-says-corporate-tax-rate-should-be-between-25percent-and-28percent.html https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1015581092/biden-promised-to-end-new-drilling-on-federal-land-but-approvals-are-up Other https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/26/opinion/sunday/republican-platform-far-right.html https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/14/16640082/donna-brazile-warren-bernie-sanders-democratic-primary-rigged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfcq5pF8u8 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36020717 Follow and Support Second Thought! Twitter: https://twitter.com/_SecondThought Patreon: https://patreon.com/secondthought BuyMeACoffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/secondthought CashApp: $JTChapman Watch More Second Thought: Latest Uploads: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6SJktA-ecJR_Fq2hhYVEFS11cf1YzG27 Spaaaaaace!: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6SJktA-ecJQRpqT-hMTTFx8A6VVH3m6v What If...: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6SJktA-ecJRI7VrWf_-mT0z6lrN--Cvi Popular Videos: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6SJktA-ecJRx7ZaO9J04Kbob_u5baHxN About Second Thought: Second Thought is a channel devoted to education and analysis of current events from a Leftist perspective. Welcome! Business Email: [email protected]
@root Same in Oz, but neither is ever really "in power", they are just the current providers of the puppets.
Mark Power@UROCKlive1 I wish the BBC would take that onboard.
NicholasBuzzred@UROCKlive1 it's the "just my opinion" defence of your racist uncle right?
Though I suppose in fairness people do these things to avoid scrutiny and defend themselves against aggressive debate.. but for public figures, in journalism and news, it shouldn't be a defence or a practice
I just feverently wish we have a dedicated set of intelligent journalists with the ability to speak the truth
@UROCKlive1 not all views deserve to be heard. This applies to Nazis, TERFs and all other bigots
Sandy Johnson@UROCKlive1 A corollary to "Not all opinions are equal."