♀️ Shelly 🐯⚜️Dec 4, 2022
Dahlia lithwick
Legit question: When is it finally time to walk away, no matter what it says about "ceding ground." Because if the Daily Stormer aint it what is? If you're still there (I am) whats the line? Asking for real. https://www.mediaite.com/online/elon-musk-allows-editor-of-neo-nazi-site-the-daily-stormer-back-on-twitter/?fbclid=IwAR1wsfbaEzn5Ls_2erko8bzee0sGJlRG4pHAJt8XgslCjrSZm0hWYhzoGH4
Elon Musk Allows Editor of Neo-Nazi Site The Daily Stormer Back on Twitter

Andrew Anglin's Twitter account was restored on Thursday. Anglin is the editor of The Daily Stormer, a white supremacist and anti-Semitic site.

Mediaite
Dec 2, 2022 at 9:54pmWeb
Show threadPlær1’Dec 2, 2022

@Dahlialith I have no clue really, by and large if you aren't handing them money they aren't doing a great job of profiting, so we don't have to feel bad on that front I guess?

I'm still trying to cling too it for as long as possible to ensure I can take good connections with me as they settle into masto/cohost/etc.

Show threadmarymessallDec 3, 2022
@Plaer1 @Dahlialith You're not the customer. You're the product. Advertisers hand him money for access to your eyeballs.
Show threadKKDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith I’m battling with this question right now too. It’s not the same site it was even a month ago and I’m not getting the information or enjoyment that I used to from it. It’s mostly alt-right crazy and antisemitism now. I think I’m still there to watch the train wreck, which probably isn’t healthy.
Show threadLynnBrennerDec 2, 2022

@Dahlialith Lock your account and walk away. You've locked down your handle so no one else can use it. And should birdsite miraculously become a viable place -- very unlikely but not impossible -- you could return.

Meantime, you've turned off the lights, locked the door, and walked away.

Show threadAdam ElmanDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith IMHO, the world would be better off if most of the high-visibility people on Twitter moved most of their interesting interaction to the Fediverse. OTOH, if your living depends on visibility, there’s still 10x the number of people on Twitter. My advice: don’t give up your Twitter account but use it to point people to the interesting content you post over here. :)
Show threadDahlia lithwickDec 2, 2022
@aelman smart. to the extent there is a coherent philosophy that makes sense....
Show threadLaffyDec 2, 2022

@Dahlialith @aelman I'm still there ONLY because the news
accounts are. I get so much of my info from them. I wish they'd all migrate here, but as you said, smaller audience. But if they move, then the audience grows.

I hope they all don't go to Post. Not my cup o' tea.

Show threadAatifDec 2, 2022
@GottaLaff @Dahlialith @aelman you’d think they could just cross post, if nothing else. Make it easier for their readers here
Show threadLaffyDec 2, 2022
@aaiqbal That's a start, but I'd love for them to dessert Muskrat. @Dahlialith @aelman
Show threadAbby NormalDec 2, 2022

@GottaLaff @Dahlialith
@aelman

Yes! This news junkie needs to see all that breaking news moving to alternative sites before I sign off

Show threadAdam ElmanDec 2, 2022
@AbbyNormal @GottaLaff @Dahlialith if you just want breaking news, most of the news apps on mobile (and some on desktop browsers) are happy to send you push notifications. On my iPhone I have them grouped into a summary that gets delivered once a day, but I can check it anytime, so it doesn't constantly ding. Definitely don't need Twitter for that :)
Show threadLaffyDec 2, 2022
@aelman I've been using those for over a decade. They don't cover everything. @AbbyNormal
Show threadAdam ElmanDec 2, 2022
@GottaLaff @Dahlialith SO with you. For myself, I get a lot of news from podcasts and push notifications (Apple News, NYT, SF Chronicle, and a couple others) so Twitter was never my primary news source; still, there are a few really interesting people (both Important People and friends - and my brother 🤣) who are still posting their stuff over there, so I still check my timeline there. But way less often, and I explicitly try to interact less except to point people over here.
Show threadMike HuckaDec 2, 2022
@GottaLaff @Dahlialith @aelman On the topic of news accounts, a number of them are now available via newsrelay.org: https://newsrelay.org/public/local
Mastodon

The social network of the future: No ads, no corporate surveillance, ethical design, and decentralization! Own your data with Mastodon!

Mastodon hosted on newsrelay.org
Show threadLaffyDec 2, 2022
@mhucka How does one follow that? I don't see an address and the URL didn't come up in search @Dahlialith @aelman
Show threadAdam ElmanDec 3, 2022
@GottaLaff @mhucka @Dahlialith you have to follow the site accounts individually, for example https://newsrelay.org/@NYTimes
NYTimes (@[email protected])

1.86K Posts, 0 Following, 5.02K Followers · News Relay Bot

Mastodon
Show threadLaffyDec 3, 2022
@aelman Thank you!! @mhucka @Dahlialith
Show threadLaffyDec 3, 2022
@aelman Is there a list ? I'm scrolling through and it's taking forever. I've followed about 5 so far. Thanks again!
Show threadAdam ElmanDec 3, 2022
@GottaLaff not that I saw, so yeah. :( if I find one I’ll let you know though!
Show threadAdam ElmanDec 3, 2022
@GottaLaff Oh! Maybe this is it: https://newsrelay.org/directory - make sure you pick "from news relay.org only" at the top. But it's a smaller list than I would've thought...
Mastodon

The social network of the future: No ads, no corporate surveillance, ethical design, and decentralization! Own your data with Mastodon!

Mastodon hosted on newsrelay.org
Show threadLaffyDec 3, 2022
@aelman That helped, thank you! And yes, fewer than I thought, but I followed who I needed to follow. So many thanks!
Show threadAmes  Dec 3, 2022
@GottaLaff @Dahlialith @aelman
You don't have to go to Twitter to see the news accounts. You can use https://twtr.plus/ to get those feeds cross-posted to Mastodon/ActivityPub. Then you can talk about it here!
twtr.plus - Home Page

Show threadLaffyDec 3, 2022
@HillClimber @Dahlialith @aelman Thanks! But it’s not just news sites. It’s individuals.
Show threadRuss StaufferDec 3, 2022
@HillClimber @GottaLaff @Dahlialith @aelman Cannot get it to recognize my Twitter handle. Repeated attempts. Hmmmm.
Show threadChirag SharmaDec 3, 2022
@GottaLaff @Dahlialith @aelman I am there because I once got an opportunity to have a small talk with a great famous person, it presents an opportunity for people to talk but people are turning it into a ground for entertaining political debate
Show threadRussDec 3, 2022
@GottaLaff @Dahlialith @aelman . Same for me.
Show threadThom PintelloDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith
I’m not really sure where my line is. I guess I’ll know it when I see it. But seriously, maybe when it starts to resemble 4chan.
Show threadNonya Bidniss 🥥🌴Dec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith The "ceding ground" stuff is ridiculous. Twitter's not a "public square" for citizens to "defend" it's an unstable neo-Nazi billionaire's playground. Yes, get out of there. Clean out your tweets, lock your account, and leave it there to prevent identity theft. Stop tweeting and don't look back. That's my position on it, that's what I did after 14 years on the platform.
Show threadIAmPawsDec 3, 2022
@Nonya_Bidniss @Dahlialith How do you lock your account? Also, when you say "clean" your tweets, what are you referring to?
Show threadaquinas_0Dec 2, 2022

@Dahlialith Musk's running a Hunter Biden's laptop expose tonight and Andy "Concrete Milkshake" Ngo is handing out bans.

It's done and cooked, sadly, time to go.

Show threadDahlia lithwickDec 2, 2022
@parrellel yeah this is what I need to hear thank you
Show threadKathy E. Gill 🇺🇦Dec 2, 2022

@parrellel @Dahlialith

Thanks. I saw @DavidCorn’s post (and boosted it) but wasn’t aware of the backstory.

Show threadEenyDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith The best word I can find atm is "firebreak".
Show threadJoe ❌👑Dec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith I suggest that when it gets to be too much, do a pinned tweet telling your birdsite followers how to find you on Mastodon and/or other platforms, and stopping posting on Twitter. If Musk is forced to clean up the site because the alternative is that Twitter is expelled from Europe as well as from the Apple and Google app stores, or if his version of Twitter goes broke and gets sold off to someone else, possibly the exiles could return.
Show threadKevin LydaDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith I'll stick around till Tuesday due the the Georgia election. Then I'm blocking the site.
Show threadDahlia lithwickDec 2, 2022
@lyda another principled line. Thank you
Show threadKevin LydaDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith Honestly for the most part I'm just spending my remaining time coaxing people here.
Show threadLaffyDec 2, 2022

@Dahlialith Lol, look what you unleashed, Dahlia.

There are other factors: That site started me on a new career as a political commentator. I was asked by 2 radio hosts to be a regular, which I double-taked (double-took?) and realized then how powerful a place it was. How sad that I now want to leave the place that gave me such amazing gifts.

It also allowed me to talk to people like you!

+ I made real life friends, like @rabbijill and others.

So it's tough to leave.

Show threadDahlia lithwickDec 2, 2022
@GottaLaff @rabbijill 100%. Every person has individuated costs and individuated benefits and I confess I hung on to flack a book I'd spent 4 years on. But I feel gross every day so I wondered what everyone's calculus was. Its good to recall this differs for us all... Thank you btw I feel same about you
Show threadPer FunkeDec 2, 2022
@GottaLaff
agree!
Show threadRavenDragonDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith I'm going to stay there, just to fight. Blocking lots of bad accounts daily.
Show threadElizabethDec 2, 2022
@RavenDragon2015 @Dahlialith But what does that really get you? What exactly are you fighting for? Sincerely asking. There are now millions of rw bots, trolls and bullies. You can't block your way out of it. It's like 2015 all over again only worse. What we had is gone.
Show threadRavenDragonDec 3, 2022
@akaBeth10 @Dahlialith
A lot of people that I follow are still on the bird site. Folks that fight for what is right and legal. If nothing else, to boost those that contradict, the lies, misinformation, and take a stand.
Show threadElizabethDec 3, 2022
@RavenDragon2015 @Dahlialith Just keep in mind that every time you engage you are giving Elonsk exactly what he wants and supporting what has become a haven for racists, anti-Semites, and every other kind of bigot and hate group. He controls and is changing the algorithms to support them and silence the left, and there is no fighting that. Maybe most importantly, remember that your data is no longer safe there. But I wish you good luck.
Show threadRabbi Jill ZimmermanDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith I’m asking myself the same question. I’m not posting over there but I’m still there. Along with my thousands of followers who I am so grateful for - I don’t want to lose touch with them. And I don’t want to support that site.
Show threadDahlia lithwickDec 2, 2022
@rabbijill amen
Show threadElizabethDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith @rabbijill What if you delete everything then do one last post telling people where they can find you now, with your full Masto address and wherever else applies? Retweet it every day for a set time period. Today is as good as it's going to be, bc tomorrow it will be worse there.
Show threadtoxtethogradyDec 2, 2022
@rabbijill @Dahlialith
I'm never going back there. Or Facebook. It's like Moses telling the Hebrews not to go back to Egypt...
Show threadLaffyDec 2, 2022
@rabbijill My dilemma too. I have locked my account though. @Dahlialith
Show threadEenyDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith When is a lighthouse needed most? Protect your foundation and beam that light!
Show threadJeff MooreDec 2, 2022

@Dahlialith I'm not sure what the answer to that is; but I *would* suggest that actually deleting your account there (and potentially making the handle available for someone else to snatch up) seems like a bad idea.

Nail some plywood over the windows and move out, but don't leave the land empty. Leave the house there and keep a set of keys in case the neighborhood becomes livable again sometime later.

Show threadKee HinckleyDec 2, 2022
@jbm @Dahlialith I’ve been hanging in there for the news. But I can’t put up with supporting a fascist site much longer. I’m hoping that more of the folks there who post and reshare things that are newsworthy at least start sharing the in both locations. That will make it easier for others to leave. But personally, my focus now is on figuring out how to help make the fediverse something that doesn’t turn into what twitter is becoming.
Show threadJeff MooreDec 2, 2022

@Dahlialith There are lots of discussions here about best practices for moving – I think the hashtags #LeavingTwitter and #twexit should find those discussions and in them some handy checklists for leaving your account on the other site in the least troublesome state.

Seems to involve locking some things down, and definitely a bio link and pinned tweet providing a pointer to your account here.

Show threadFern Woodsson 🌿Dec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith Nazis. Nazis are the line.
Show threadFern Woodsson 🌿Dec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith I locked my account in the event that it becomes viable again. But for now, I’m staying over here.
Show threadcharvakaDec 2, 2022
@Dahlialith At this point, any engagement we give the oligarch's platform is enabling him. The oligarch gets away with this if people keep giving him the one thing he needs from us: engagement. We must withdraw. It's not ceding the platform, it is sinking it. If people leave, the platform will collapse when ad revenues collapse.