David Lo PunFunny how centrists never threaten to go left if fascists aren’t civil.
Escarpment@helpmeskeletor If you consent, I would share my objections. If not, totally understand. I hear where you're coming from but there are certain points I take issue with.
christina 死神@escarpment @helpmeskeletor making a polite request and pre-apology for the most heinous shit you ever heard someone say nicely #JustCentristThings
@chhopsky @helpmeskeletor I had hypothesized that one of the reasons I tend to get blocked here was because of the perceived non-consensuality of me weighing in with a slightly different opinion. So now, I ask for consent before offering my slightly different opinion.
Do you ever have different opinions from other people? Perhaps you like strawberry ice cream when someone else likes chocolate?
@chhopsky @helpmeskeletor To what extent do you believe people should be free to have different opinions? I suppose your Overton window could be very narrow where you view most political and philosophical opinions beyond acceptability?
@escarpment @helpmeskeletor we're not talking about strawberry icecream you useless twat we're talking about whether i should be killed in the street
so no, your opinion on that is pretty fucking irrelevant
@chhopsky @helpmeskeletor For the record, I don't think you should be killed in the street. That's why I'm not a fascist. Is there any political issue where you think multiple opinions are possible?
@escarpment @helpmeskeletor not the ones we're talking about, and you fucking know which ones we were talking about.
"im just asking questions" no-one is fooled. piss off
@chhopsky @helpmeskeletor For what it's worth, I am just asking questions, and I think it's a tragedy that the far-right has turned asking questions into a bad thing. In fact, they've turned a lot of basic or neutral things bad: free speech, asking questions. I don't think we win by ceding those things to them.
@escarpment @helpmeskeletor if you don't understand that questions can be damaging on their own, contain assumptions, and create problems, then you're a fucking idiot. claiming not to be a fash but you're literally helping them then having a sook when you're called out for it
see also the classic: "when did you stop beating your wife?" shut up. fuck off. be better
@chhopsky @helpmeskeletor Questions can do that, yes. But they can also be useful. Like, "do automobiles hurt the environment?" "Is thalidomide safe for pregnant women?" What if no one ever asked those questions because people with dissenting opinions are fascists?
@escarpment @helpmeskeletor literally no-one is talking about those things. no-one is saying the concept of a question is bad, but you knew that. because that would be an insane thing.
instead you're just making life easier for people who want me dead. "just asking questions".
very cool of you, hey could you fucking quit it tho? fucking sealion
@chhopsky @helpmeskeletor I didn't know that. It seemed like you were indicating the concept of a question is bad by insinuating "just asking questions" is a bad thing. I don't want you dead and I do not want to make life easier for people who want you dead. It sounds like consent has been denied for offering my clarifications, so I will happily withhold them and carry on my day.
@escarpment @helpmeskeletor no-one gives a shit how much you think we should listen to fascists. you are literally the problem OP complained about
i mean this from the bottom of my heart: eat shit
@chhopsky @helpmeskeletor I don't think you should listen to fascists. So the answer is 0. 0 listening to fascists.
🦇 Jordan (She/Her)@escarpment @chhopsky @helpmeskeletor I would like to remind you that this is all in response to a comment about how centrists often align themselves with fascism while blaming the left, but never seem to do the opposite, and had nothing to do with "differing opinions" (a well-known fascist dog whistle).
I would like to remind you of this, then block you.
@parchmentscroll @chhopsky @helpmeskeletor Fair enough. I only point out that "differing opinions" being a fascist dog whistle is a very dangerous place to be indeed. Because differing opinions, notwithstanding fascists, are healthy and good. Like "I think there should be protected bike lanes."
@escarpment @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor really incredible job here pretending that the fascists are gaining political power for bike lanes
@chhopsky @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor I don't think that. I am just saying having a bike lane is a political opinion over which two non-fascists could differ, neither wanting the other dead. Two democrats could argue over that. Two socialists could argue about it.
@escarpment @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor literally why the fuck are you talking about bike lanes. what is wrong with you
@chhopsky @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor I explained why: as an example of a political debate inside the Overton window where multiple opinions and questions are permissible and neither side wants the other one dead. I suppose you could argue the anti-bike lane person is a fascist, though I think that would be hyperbole.
@escarpment @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor who gives a shit. you know that's not what we're talking about. and you're helping them by pretending any of the bullshit you tried to inject was relevant
Yaseen, Yaseen of Yaseen 🏳️⚧️@chhopsky @escarpment @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor.
Hey Mr Green Square, can you just shut the fuck up? Like. Unironically. Shut the fuck up.
@yassie_j @chhopsky @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor I understand. I will. Please don't assume my gender with "Mr." and I don't think my anonymity (my green square profile picture) is relevant to my ideas or a reason to dismiss my ideas.
@escarpment @yassie_j @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor your ideas are getting dismissed because they help fascists
you're either evil or stupid and i'm not sticking around to find out which
@chhopsky @yassie_j @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor I don't want to help fascists. I am against fascism. I'm sorry I'm too stupid for you. I'm just trying to minimize collateral damage in the fight against fascism.
@escarpment @yassie_j @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor yeah dude you're attempting to impede the fight against fascism while being shocked that you get accused of impeding the fight against fascism
brilliant work, really
@chhopsky @escarpment @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor I don't have to engage with you seriously cos your arguments aren't serious. Why wouldn't I care about the other side, when the other side refuses to believe I exist?
@yassie_j @chhopsky @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor What if the other side believes you exist? What if it's an argument between someone on the "far-left" and someone on the "middle of the left"? How do you resolve that difference of opinion?
Ignoring fascists, I think there might still be disagreements between different wings of the left.
@chhopsky @yassie_j @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor I am fervently anti-gun. I don't think anyone should own assault weapons. For what it's worth...
@escarpment @yassie_j @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor the OP you tried disagree with is complaining about exactly what's pictured above
and here you are, demonstrating the behavior perfectly by standing in front of the fascists, brilliantly defending them from us describing how your exact tactic works
do you feel better having done your fashy little troll? does it feel nice?
@chhopsky @yassie_j @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor I don't think calling me names like "fashy" or "troll" is very constructive. It's strange to describe my tactic, as if I have some ultimate aim of defending fascists. I also haven't even made my point. I only asked permission to make my point, which brought on a wave of vitriol of friendly fire from folks whom I am probably largely politically aligned with.
@escarpment @yassie_j @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor i dont know how to explain to you that there is no difference between people who help fascists (you) and people who are fascists
@chhopsky @escarpment @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor there are right wing groups who would never align with fascists. That's the bare minimum. But eventually, they break. You are part of that. By even discussing fascism, we open the consideration that they don't deserve to be beaten to an inch of their life.
@yassie_j @escarpment @parchmentscroll @helpmeskeletor i think we've got enough material to screencap this one for the archives as an example of the right wing tactic of the"just asking questions" routine to wear people down and cost them energy
i admit i didn't think it'd go on this long, but hey, life is surprising. really did think he'd crack the facade any of the times he got painted in a corner. thanks!