Please understand that some of us are both optimistic and see wonderful potential here *and* don't want the same or similar mistakes to be made again.

There's so much experience to be drawn on, and it feels like excitement and optimism in technical protocols is pushing aside lessons. Everyone wants a better social network. There are real concerns.

For over 30 years we've seen the patterns and skills required when an individual starts an online community *regardless of protocol or software* and there are a bunch of invariants that have *nothing* to do with the skill of "administering and operating a software service". Community management is different from content moderation is different from system administration and we're *lucky* whenever a person or group happens to be good enough at all three.

The trite version of this is: Being an instance admin/starting one is much more for life than your regular co-opted pagan holiday now associated with a dominant global soft drink brand.

And the cost is if you get it wrong -- the different community management and content moderation parts -- then we collectively lose trust. Protocols won't ever fix that. They might make good management and moderation *easier* through tools, but they'll always be human decisions.

Like my friend @fraying said, *federation doesn't fix the problems of community management and moderation*, but it is certainly *is* a tool. It is also an exceedingly blunt one. And like many tools because it is powerful, it can also make it easy to ignore or set aside the depth, context and difficulty of decisions.

@danhon @fraying 💯 to all of this. The one thing I'd add and meant to earlier on one of @fraying's threads (but just totally overloaded) is that topological determinism *is a thing* in the corporate-owned monopoly scenario. There is only *one* outcome there, and it's "do what the landlord says." If you're lucky, he'll agree with you, but it's Machiavellian *at best*.

Here, we at least have the *possibility* to break out of that. Not guaranteed by any stretch, but *possible*.

@blaine @danhon the idea that “more landlords is better than fewer landlords” seems ahistorical to me at best. As for determinism, well, again, citation needed.

@fraying @danhon so much respect, but this is a very America-centric/colonial perspective.

We have *so many* conversations where the answer is "just regulate it, speak to your congressperson" and I and 7.6 billion other people are like IN WHAT JURISDICTION!?

Also: they don't have to be landlords. @timbray and @evan and others are working on setting up an Actual Cooperative and others exist, too. This can be collaborative if we let it be & do the work.

@blaine @danhon @timbray @evan you are attributing things to me that I did not say.