@triplenadir @Edo_Secco @Gunther

How do I take down the account containing my likeness and tweets, created from the BirdsiteLive bridge?

I did NOT consent to having my tweets and photo posted elsewhere, and wasn’t even aware, until getting questions from people about which one is my “real” mastodon.

This isn’t okay to do without consent, and it is not ethical at all, despite claiming to be.

@BirdsiteLIVE

Please see the above toot. This is not okay. I want this “copy” of me taken down.

@BirdsiteLIVE it is also probably resulting in people tagging that account instead of mine and wondering why I’m not seeing the toots.

This is so messed up for so many reasons and was clearly not thought out with creator consent in mind. Very odd to me that you went out of your way to label this “ethical” when it is not.

@justkelly_ok it's called an "ethical bridge" in opposition to how unethically people did create bridges and mirrored accounts before that. You can find more informations about the current state of the project here: https://write.as/nicolas-constant/closing-the-official-bsl-instance

And as stated in the post, I don't host any instance currently, if you want to contact another instance admin, please follow this procedure: https://github.com/NicolasConstant/BirdsiteLive/wiki/How-to-contact-Instance-Owner

Closing the official BSL instance

While it was always planed (and disclosed as such since the beginning) I decided to close the official instance of BirdsiteLIVE a bit ear...

Nicolas Constant - DevBlog
@BirdsiteLIVE Great so you’re just going to leave this tool out there knowing people don’t want it used to copy their likenesses and accounts, knowing that mods of other instances may not take it down, and may even abuse it? This is the account btw, it’s on your instance and still showing for some
@BirdsiteLIVE I’m not interested in the history of how stuff was done before. “Slightly more ethical” != ethical.
This is really not okay. I have a stalker! Did you even consider risks to marginalized or targeted people?
@BirdsiteLIVE at the very least, if you want it to be ethical, people should be able to opt out of their accounts being copied like this. Even bots like thread unrollers on twitter allow people to opt out.
@BirdsiteLIVE actually, other similar tools are MORE ethical because they require the owner of the account to set up the mirror themselves and oauth to both.
@justkelly_ok that's not the tools I'm referring to: people created public accounts mirroring other accounts, posting in public mode feeding on Nitter RSS feeds.
That's the issue BSL addressed and helped to reduce, and stopped in some cases.
@BirdsiteLIVE and I’m supposed to care because why? This is still very harmful and I just found out there are even more clones of my account that appear to others but don’t come up in search from this instance

@BirdsiteLIVE So it’s not really feasible for people to monitor every instance where this might happen and contact the instance creator to get it taken down. I’ve had to rely on other people sending me screenshots of my “clones” that come up in search for them but not me.

Again: I have a stalker, and this is a really serious safety issue for me and others.

You don’t owe me anything and don’t have to care what I think but you can be considerate of people’s safety ffs.

@BirdsiteLIVE instead of, quite frankly, just being a dismissive jerk. Please at least CONSIDER taking it down because of the very real harm it can do. I’m already having a bit of a panic attack at the idea that I might not be able to track all these down and get them removed and my stalker could do something scary with this.
@BirdsiteLIVE just in case you don’t believe me or think that I’m being overly dramatic to make a point, these are the things he has been charged with. It really is serious.
@justkelly_ok it's really terrible you have a stalker. I'm so sorry about that, but @BirdsiteLIVE are absolutely right here - you need to put your account into protected mode.

yes, finding the contact details for every BSL instance and asking them is a lot of work... but with the same logic you would have to ask everybody that has a twitter developer API key to do it to, and there's literally hundreds of thousands of those.
and let's not even get into the realms of the numerous twitter HTML parsers that *don't* use an API key at all (BSL is not one of these, it does things properly).

@paul @BirdsiteLIVE I’m not interested in condescending unsolicited advice from strangers on how to handle my own safety regarding a situation I’ve dealt with for four years. And my particular circumstances should not matter or be up for debate. It is harmful.

https://mastodon.social/@justkelly_ok/109384233928474658

@paul @BirdsiteLIVE other similar apps that replicate people’s content elsewhere like this provide a centralized way to opt out. For example thread unroll bots.

The impersonation and confusion over which account I actually control is the issue. Main issue.

@paul @BirdsiteLIVE in response to these valid concerns, I’ve been met with
- dismissiveness
- mansplaining
- unsolicited advice that presumes to know more about how to protect my safety than I do
- refusal to consider multiple ways this can be used for harm in addition to violating people’s consent/privacy/ethics wishes
- disregard for privacy law

@justkelly_ok

We're giving you our time here, please be respectful of it.

Like it or not, the issues you shared are liked to the public aspect of your publications.
See here: https://nitter.it/justkelly_ok
It's a nitter instance, all you data (post included!) is publicly shared and available, and I don't think you can opt-out. Nitter is FOSS, anyone can host one. Including your stalker.

I can do the same demonstration with web.archive.org.
Your stalker can even get a twitter api himself and (...)

Kelly Ellis (@justkelly_ok)

pro-abortion. feminist gamer. no terfs allowed. she/her http://ko-fi.com/kellyellis

Nitter

@BirdsiteLIVE that doesn’t look like an active account engaging with others that I am running, though. The clones created by your tool DO.

Again: visibility is not the main issue I have, although intended audience and consent really should still matter to you. It’s the fact that it creates active accounts on a different social media platform where people post and interact.

I don’t consent to my likeness or tweets being copied and republished by your bot.