@alyssagambone @tabletopgamesblog Indonesia has a permanent place on our shelves (and I vote to make the effort there), Die Macher was an interesting experience but we didn't need to keep it. Both are quirky in their mechanical implementation, and they ask different things of players, but one overstayed it's welcome on the table for what it set out to achieve.
Both are worth playing once or twice, that's more than I can say about some large games. Ymmv