Scumlord Eris, Acolyte of AnnaThe discourse around admins wanting to start "automated importable block lists" is really fucking deeply shitty and problematic in so many ways and if yall go through with it, fedi will be so much worse for it in a culture where people already use the fediblock hashtag for petty personal drama
Prosirer@eris I bet they're thinking this would get rid of those people that don't conform to "their" values by isolating them. In reality, they would just be isolating themselves into a cluster of servers while alienating much of the network in turn. Centralized & conformist policies such as bullying through fear does not work well on a decentralized platform.
@eris
If this does gain any headway there will always be instances that dont use it. Fedi tends to balance itself in some ways. I almost always ignore anything on the #fediblock tag.
Honestly, single-user instances are kinda the way to go.
If this does gain any headway there will always be instances that dont use it. Fedi tends to balance itself in some ways. I almost always ignore anything on the #fediblock tag.
Honestly, single-user instances are kinda the way to go.
Goop@eris I don't see the problem with importable block lists, and I am one to rarely defederate from other instances.
I pick and choose the Blocklists for ads, marketing, and tracking websites on my AdBlock extension.
How is this any different? I'll simply pick the lists from curators I trust to be reasonable and fair.
If a user doesn't like the way an admin moderates a community, they can leave and go start their own instance. That's the beauty of the fediverse 
@graycot that's just an easy way to let false blocks make their way through automatically. I'm telling you, block lists have already been tried and abused, each time the people in charge of the lists comes under fire for their own problems and then they decide to ignore it and maintain their power anyway.
The people who run these things are abusive and make things up about other instances to promote blocks against people, and while you may say you check receipts, most instances on fedi don't. I recently saw a fediblock with misinformation that had over 120 boosts before the poster took it down. These just aren't things that belong on fedi
The people who run these things are abusive and make things up about other instances to promote blocks against people, and while you may say you check receipts, most instances on fedi don't. I recently saw a fediblock with misinformation that had over 120 boosts before the poster took it down. These just aren't things that belong on fedi
@eris oh I saw that fediblock slander about you. The fediblock tag is petty, ineffective, and should not be used for any sort of automated blocklist. I have it filtered out so I don't even see it in my feed. It's beyond worthless.
I seek automated fediblocking for legit bad instances, things like KF, or a list to block instances with Twitter culture and spam. Themed block lists are the way to go, general purpose blocklists have way too wide of a scope and always fall apart
@graycot yeah it's terrible
I always encourage those to browse the lists of instances they trust and build their own list. I manually verify all the instances I block to make sure they need to be blocked, so I could explain any instance on my block list, and it's just good practice in general to do so
I always encourage those to browse the lists of instances they trust and build their own list. I manually verify all the instances I block to make sure they need to be blocked, so I could explain any instance on my block list, and it's just good practice in general to do so
GrinWhat is this Fedi thing u talk about?
level 5 troon hazard@Grin what you're using now
Reina 
@eris I think this could potentially be handled in a decentralised manner using reputation-based blocking, but it should be on an individual user to subscribe to a block-list rather than an instance, and the system would need categories for fine-tuning. It would also require that a user could override it.
Matrix is doing smth like that but I'm not sure if it has been properly implemented yet. I can't say I have a full grasp of it either, but I think it's conceptually better than instance blocking.