Mathew IngramOther stated reasons for banning journa.host include complaints about its members being "surveillance capitalists," or "internet sleths who won't use reporting tools but will cry for legal action," or "mainstream propagandists"
Suzyanalyst1@mathewi Oh man…
Aaron@mathewi The implications of this drama are interesting. Like, does it mean that journalists, once onboarded, are incentivized to move into an instance that is related to a community/ interest area they write about?
Does it mean that some instances can pressure others into different moderation decisions?
The people that have been here for a while have probably dealt with these questions before, but I'm finding it interesting to think about.
@00Aaron Agreed -- very interesting questions! I think I joined journa.host not so much because I wanted to be among other journalists, but because I hoped it would reassure people about my credentials in some way? I'm not even sure, to be honest
@mathewi it's all very new to to many of us, so it makes sense why people would want to join up with their "crew" first, to feel things out.
I did see a discussion about the infosec.exchange server have an account that wanted to create a text scraper across instances for searchability, which I think raised similar concerns from other instances (but moreso about privacy)
The anthropology of all of this will be very interesting in upcoming weeks, I'm sure
Peter Rubin@00Aaron @mathewi I'm seeing a clear signal that this is at least in part about norms and conduct—a legacy insistence on sharing your articles, live-posting breaking news, etc. That doesn't fly here, and I've def noticed that despite the instance admin's repeated pleas, *many* folks on the server are stomping around doing the same-old same-old.
ianhillmedia@provenself @00Aaron @mathewi It's been really interesting — journa.host is at its best when we act as a community with a shared interest, like the early days of the socjourn FB Group or wjchat. I don't think our sources or the average consumers are here yet, so distribution seems meaningless. That said, we obviously like staying up on the news and reading each others' work, so link sharing will happen.
Timothy Noah@provenself @00Aaron @mathewi I'm confused. Is there something wrong with journalists sharing their articles or live-posting breaking news? If so, what?
James Fallows@TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi Tim (et al) I have had the same question, after moving myself to this site.
Maybe this is what the "CW" flag is for: "Mention of my new article" etc.
@JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron Yes, that's my understanding -- it's not about whether you post your articles or breaking news, it's about not flooding people's timeliness with it, which as I understand it is what the content warning label is for
Dan Kennedy@JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi But what is the value in putting self-promotional messages behind a CW wall? Who benefits?
@dankennedy_nu @JFallows @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi Exactly. Getting people to read my stuff is the main reason I'm here. It's pretty much the ONLY way to get people to read magazine stories these days.
Eric Vey@dankennedy_nu @JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi
If you try it, you will see that you can put a one line summary. Here, I'll show you.
@vey981 @dankennedy_nu @JFallows @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi A lot of this is going over my head, I'm afraid.
@TimothyNoah @dankennedy_nu @JFallows @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi
When you reply to this, look at for an icon with a "!" in it. That's the CW button. After you press it, you can put in a summary.
Sarah (She/Her)@dankennedy_nu @JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi As an avid #news consumer, I am fine with CWs, especially well-written ones. I think what people don't want here is the constant stream of click-baity provocative stuff that made Twitter such a hellscape. I was a reporter for 10 years. I care *a lot* about news being done right. But I don't think it was done right on Twitter. Also, a CW isn't a wall. At its best, it's an invitation.
amie.rivers@SER617 @dankennedy_nu @JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi
What's an example of a good way to do this, for those of us who genuinely want to not be annoying on our new home?
@amierivers @dankennedy_nu @JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi
Some folks working through it: BBC World News, Good Blue, @lolgop ... Not sure I'd CW every story about deaths (as BBC World does), but they're making editorial choices. GoodBlue seems to do headlines. And @LOLGOP always puts their snark behind a CW and it just works.
@mathewi @JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron Well, that’s an assertion. I used a CW today because I was commenting on coverage of violence, but I’m not even sure I see the point of that.
@dankennedy_nu @JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron I think of it more as a headline than a "content warning" -- I think the idea is that people can choose whether to read it or not
Stephanie Geuns-Meyer@dankennedy_nu @JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi There is no CW wall. Think of it as a Content Wrapper, a headline. Make it as pointed and long as you like. Without one your readers are taking in your multi-paragraph posts while fast-scrolling and deciding whether to really read them or not. If you are posting a lot of them, the answer will be mostly “no.” If your headline catches my attention and I click, your narratives structure is preserved and you have my full attention.
mara@geunsmeyer Yes, thank you, making the CW long and specific is hugely helpful.
Myles Helfand@JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi Yeah -- FWIW, I think @adamdavidson has posted about this a couple times already, including here: https://journa.host/@adamdavidson/109309145113518061
A big part of this is all of us getting used to (and defining, amongst ourselves) what this server is "for." It doesn't seem designed for live-posting of breaking news, so I think that's part of where the backlash comes from.
Harry Callahan@JFallows @TimothyNoah @provenself @00Aaron @mathewi use it as a short, enticing promo. "Behind this CW is a cool story."
I'm looking for stuff to read.
@TimothyNoah - I sure hope not! A CW may be appropriate if the "breaking news" is inflammatory, but I am here for #news, among many things, but maybe #news most of all.
@00Aaron (but there's also some broad-brushing journalism as bottom-feeding clickbait merchants, which obv is a gross mischaracterization.)
Matthew Keys@mathewi Hard to argue with that.