Hello new followers! Does anyone have contacts in ethnomusicology? Preferably folks who grew up among non-Western traditions, as there is no shortage of well-meaning Westerners who dabble in other traditions.

As chair of the MIDI 2.0 Pitch and Tuning subcommittee I'm looking for connections with practitioners of underrepresented musical traditions, to inform us as we lay the groundwork for a next-gen standard which isn't quite so piano-shaped.

@evan I think @yaxu might be able to help this to reach the right people
@zoy @evan Sorry I don't know much about pitch and tuning!

@evan

I think that if you got in touch with the people behind the ABC notation standard, they might be able to help you out.

https://abcnotation.com/wiki/abc:standard

@Tathar My focus is primarily on expanding MIDI to tuning systems and traditions that cannot be trivially expressed in diatonic or chromatic systems like ABC notation.

A problem with today's predominant technologies is that they subordinate non-Western traditions to Western ones by defining them in terms of exceptions or deviations from a twelve-note scale — or put them in the same "other" bucket as modern experimental scales.

@evan

Ah, that makes sense. Seems I misunderstood what you were asking. Still, they might have the connections you're looking for.

@evan there are many indigenous music groups and events here throughout Alaska and Southeast AK is particularly emphasizing indigenous music, language and land acknowledgements in classrooms and public events. I recommend contacting some Tribal organizations like Tlingit & Haida or Cool Inlet Tribal Council to get connected to resources.

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I know Byzantine music! What exactly do you need to know?
@Yukari

@evan To be clear, I am Greek and grew up listening to Byzantine music in church.

In short, in Western music you divide the octave into 12 equal parts in order to start constructing your scales. In #ByzantineMusic we have 72 equal parts.

I could start describing some of our scales for you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for. Also ideally I'd run everything through my teacher first. ☺

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@evan
I would suggest @Silpayamanant, who I have recently learned a lot from
https://silpayamanant.wordpress.com
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@evan I know some folks on the Swedish/Norwegian/Sami scene where there's microtonality and uneven measures in play... but I don't know if that still counts as Western?

@jchillerup Western in this context would mean Western Art Music, a set of traditions with roots particularly around Italy and Southwest Europe which were elevated as a standard, sometimes forcefully, for music around the world. Scholars like Khyam Allami can speak to this better than I can.

Anyway, I would certainly be interested in connections with Sami music.

@evan Hello Evan. As you've likely found out, microtonality and tuning systems are very complex and varied subjects, and nobody can quite agree on how to divide the octave, equally or asymmetrically, and by what number of core pitches, etc. As part of my ethnomusicology studies, I've only scratched the surface, as understanding the underlying theory is almost always broken when put into practice. Plus, I didn't grow up in such a musical tradition. One person I would recommend contacting is Dr Tolgahan Çoğulu (https://www.microtonalguitar.org). He's very knowledgeable on various tuning schemes, though, of course, his main focus is classical guitar and Turkish music. He did this test, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyQaSFgnVI8
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@evan Scott Marcus at UCSB would be a great resource for finding good contacts with this: https://music.ucsb.edu/people/faculty/scott-marcus additionally there is a great familiarity with technology in that music dept (specifically with Curtis Roads teaching there).
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Might be worth trying to find people with experience in microtuning in electronic music, beyond ethnomusicologists (oddly enough, Este #Haim springs to mind.) I’ve stepped into this area myself, but I don’t claim great expertise now (I grew up in #Jamaica, I’ve worked with #Pharoahnic scales, used a #Yamaha #TX81Z for #microtonal work, etc.)

@evan I met a musicologist here a few days ago:

@DanElphick

Maybe he can help, or knows someone who can.

@evan can I share this on the bird site? I'm certain I have some contacts who fit this description
@evan Jon Silpayamanant would be a GREAT person for this. He's a Thai-American multi-instrumentalist and the breadth of his knowledge about non-Western music is huge. Let me know if I can put you in touch. https://www.silpayamanant.com/about/
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@io If you like. I'm just trying to collect some names.
@evan Amirtha Kidambi and Anaar Desai-Stephens are two other names mentioned to me, though I don't know as much about them
@io At this stage I'm interested in meeting and greeting with various folks and planning out how we can achieve better representation in the standards process.
@evan What is the best way to put you in touch with someone?
@io E-mail, Discord, phone, mastodon -- whichever works best for the person in question. You've got my details already, I think.