josef

when you download an image from the web these days, instead of a PNG or a JPEG, you get one of these new formats which is 8% more efficient, not compatible with any "pre-covid software" and has a name which sounds like

JEG
WebUP
High Information Format Format
webLICC
AppleLuppy
j-eggings Layer 6
ProRes ProxyGold (Grain Profile)
PrBufEncapDCT
h.26vorbis
h.26NeRFscene
Radiance XML
EXIFnoimage
rayJSON
WebX 2000
base64staticBlogSVG.meta
bitplaneConwayAnim

May 31, 2022 at 11:06amWeb
Show threadjosefMay 31, 2022
in order to view these images you have to install Windows 11 and then download a docker container with a Node.js server that you connect to using the latest version of chrome that renders the image to a canvas. you cant view the image locally since that would violate a same-origin policy, but thankfully the rendering is done remotely on a google GPU somewhere in the cloud, using a new standard called 'WebGPUThatsSomewhereInTheCloud' which is already obsolete and has been replaced with 'WebPCI-e'
Show threadMaddie  May 31, 2022
@jk Thankfully you can use an online converter tool but it only converts to another even more obscure format, and the converter forces you to pay for more than 4 conversions per day, however the obscure format just so happens to be openable via VLC for some reason, which is able to convert the image to a video file, then you're able to extract the image as a frame from the video using another program, however the image has lost most of its resolution and has a 16 color depth
Show threadFelixNov 20, 2022

@mjdxp @jk good thing ffmpeg can probably do all of that, if only you build it from source including the exact right 57 modules and figure out the magic command line flags to make it happen.

Probably still faster to use your approach tho :/

Show threadDavidJun 1, 2022
@jk you lost me at "have to install Windows 11."
Show threadNashJul 30, 2022
@jk do u pronounce "JEG" like 'jegg' or 'gegg' tho is what I'm trying to figure out
Show threadCarl MuckenhouptNov 19, 2022
@nashhigh @jk You pronounce it like "gedge" of course
Show threadNashNov 20, 2022
@CarlMuckenhoupt @jk thank u for the clarification! I have unfortunately been calling it 'jedge' to everyone, which may be why I lost my MS certification... I assumed jedge because I thought it was a successor to JPG ('jedge-pedge')
Show threadDavid R. Feinberg (He/Him)Nov 20, 2022
@nashhigh @jk gegg, just like you pronounce Jod.
Show threadTimjanJul 31, 2022
@jk webpci-e... Thanks, i hate you.
Show threadme·ta·phil, derNov 9, 2022
@timjan what... didn't you like WebUSB? 😆
Show threadDavid StarkNov 9, 2022
@jk You are correct but now I have anxiety.
Show threadgrinNov 20, 2022
@jk Please don't drive. 😉
Show threadjosefNov 20, 2022
@grin i don't know how to drive
Show threadgrinNov 20, 2022
@jk I am unspeakably relieved! 😄
Show threadvxoJul 10, 2024

@jk my brain just made a bunch of stop requested noises

https://youtu.be/nggkAI67IrI

Stop Requested - SF Bay Area Transit Musical (2014)

YouTube
Show threadMaddie  May 31, 2022
@jk
newOPT
SuperCompress
Simple High-Information Transmission
MPimage
FotoNeo
X.TRA SM.ALL
WebP
Show threadtibiMay 31, 2022
@jk Love it when I get a SPB (SoftImage PixelBasket)
Show threadtibiMay 31, 2022
@jk oh no this is FBX2022Q2 but my software only supports up to FBX2021Q4
Show threadCheerios de BergeracMay 31, 2022
@jk tag yourself I'm h.26vorbis
Show threadJPMay 31, 2022
@jk Firefox and GIMP support AVIF and webP so I'm able to view and edit them fine, but no website's image uploader supports them so it's effectively a read-only format used by big tech companies, good job everyone.
Show threadMiloIgnisNov 20, 2022
@jplebreton @jk opening them in GIMP and editing them seems like the opposite of a read-only format! Also, bandwidth efficiency is a plus for everyone, especially those on poor connections. Also, generally those images are hosted with fallbacks, so that your browser can download the version it supports/prefers.
Show threadJPNov 20, 2022
@miloignis @jk Read what I wrote again. I am saying it is a problem that I have a single offline application that can write/modify these files but no web apps will let me upload them (without saving to an older format, defeating the point). The onus to support those new formats is on those apps but the impact on user experience is the same.
Show threadvxoJul 10, 2024
@jplebreton @jk one of my weirder recurring tasks at work is converting these weirdass formats to jpeg when viewers email them in so they can be run through the bitumenous coal fired apparatus that lets us show them on the air
Show threadRenalia - #1 pizza downloaderMay 31, 2022
@jk also there is debate about whether JEG is pronouned Jay-egg, or Jog, or Gog, or Gej, or if it's unpronouncable with our feeble, simplistic human vocal cords, and can only be properly spoken by relinquishing your mind, body and soul to the Eternal Darkness beyond the Void, Sweet Oblivion Be Their Name, Let Them Cleanse The Universe of Life. (esquire)
Show threadKT controls miniature worldsMay 31, 2022

@Nine @jk

Nah, it's simple! JEG is pronounced either [one of the ones you mentioned but you will later forget which] or [the sound of a sneeze].

Show threadneoJul 24, 2022
@jk WebLicc
Show threadme·ta·phil, derNov 9, 2022
@jk any of those compatible with Adobe Legacy 2000 (v2.1)?
Show threadSammy (friend of foxes)Nov 20, 2022
@jk rayJSON got a snort, thank you
Show threadThom ZaneNov 20, 2022
@jk I recently switched to WebP format because it can be configured for lossless compression, the tools to convert are free software, and my tests show usually at least a 50% decrease in file size. I also include PNG and SVG (when available) as fallbacks using the picture tag. Lossy compression tests are very small (more than 90% reduction), but the colors were incorrect. If you don't want WebP, I believe you can set image.webp.enabled to false in the about:config page in Firefox.
Show thread🐙🐙Nov 20, 2022
@thomzane @jk there are plenty of reasons to want to use webp as a web host and there are an equal number of reasons anyone who downloads your image would hate working with it.
Show thread🐙🐙Nov 20, 2022

@thomzane @jk the second portion no longer works AFAIK.

I use a web extension that just flat out lies to web sites that webp isn't supported on my browser.

Show threadThom ZaneNov 20, 2022
@oct2pus @jk This one? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dont-accept-webp/
Don't "Accept" image/webp – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)

Download Don't "Accept" image/webp for Firefox. This extension removes image/webp and/or image/avif from the list of formats Firefox tells sites that it accepts. That discourages many servers from replacing JPEG and PNG images with WebP/AVIF. (But some may send them anyway; they aren't blocked.)

Show thread🐙🐙Nov 20, 2022
@thomzane @jk yes
Show threadinput and dayNov 20, 2022
@jk man these ai accounts are getting out of hand
Show thread✭King✭Therapy✭Nov 20, 2022
@jk
There's a Linux filesystem driver that auto-converts formats when files are saved to it. I have to look deeper about setting this up in a "photos" section of my "Downloads".
Show threadPotassium🌞🏝️🌊Dec 21, 2022
@jk
EXIFnoimage goes hard
Show threadjosefDec 21, 2022
@Potassium if you know the time, date, latitude, longitude, shutter speed and aperture settings, do you really need the pixels
Show threadliftsJul 7, 2024
@jk @Potassium Very efficient compression method.
Show threadeviloatmeal, resident Death Stranding 2 apologist (arch, btw)Dec 21, 2022
@jk This one came back around, and this time I feel obliged to... Blame you? Thank you? Poke you? Ping you, anyway, @naln1 
Show threaddrag paul's run raceJul 7, 2024
@jk can u link me to the jay graydon JPEG toot
Show threadinternetsdairyJul 7, 2024
@jk I usually end up taking a screenshot or just literally taking a photo of my screen, which sounds like a horrible boomer thing to do, but is often the most efficient way of just sharing something stupid on WhatsApp
Show threadluna the doggie  Jan 28
@jk the only actually widely used format I know of is webp. Phone manufacturers pull bullshit with made up formats like "heic" or "heif" but most websites nah.

It isn't "8%", I've cut the size of images by 5-10x at times with no visible quality loss by using webp instead of JPEG/PNG on my website. And JPEG will leave terrible looking artifacts on anything that isn't a photo.

The new thing that people are excited about is JPEG-XL. It is only slightly better than webp at compression. But the killer feature is that if you're on a slow connection, the image doesn't load line by line of pixels like your typical PNG, instead it quickly loads at low quality and the quality gets better as more of the image loads.