@suika
i dunno. do you need a permanent receipt? its useful for whatever use case that would be.

@wagesj45 @suika the actual technology *is* a great idea. The problem is the party awful implementation (appreciate there’s work to make some chains far less power-hungry) but mostly the crowds using them for pump-and-dump schemes and trashing the wider public image.

NFTs, for example, are a fascinating concept with some, hypothetically, brilliant applications but selling jpgs and tweets are not some of them.

@wiredfire @suika
i think this is the 100% correct take. dipwads sell the tech as something its not. its a currency/receipt system. eventually society writ large will catch up and we'll figure out how to live with it.
@wagesj45 @suika hopefully by then the more efficient chains will be mature and ready to wider use! 😁
@wiredfire @wagesj45 @suika Merkel trees cover all the non-scam uses
@javierg @wiredfire @suika
sounds like a block chain without the trustless verification.

@wagesj45 @wiredfire @suika look again.

Merkel trees are successfully used in BGP monitoring, which allows anyone to detect issues in the non-governed network underlying the whole internet. This helps to avoid or fix both human errors and malicious change injections.

@javierg @wiredfire @suika
those are a lot of fancy words i don't understand man

@wagesj45 @suika the problem is that virtually *any* real use case makes blockchain properties pointless or outright undesirable.

A permanent receipt? Digital signatures already do that.

A ledger? It’s ultimately filled by humans, who make mistakes or outright lie. Which a blockchain, being append-only, cannot fix. Unless you append a correction, of course, but then you render the entire concept moot.

An NFT? It’s neither necessary nor sufficient to enforce copyright.

Etc.

@wagesj45 @suika the only successful wide-scale application of blockchain has been wealth transfer from scam victims to scammers
@chucker fair. i'm not arguing that we've got it all figured out yet.
@wagesj45 that’s fair. In theory, it’s an interesting data structure.
@chucker @wagesj45 @suika Still amazes me that NFTs are such ineffective DRM from people that claim to hate DRM. (I’ve got some fun HN downvotes for referring to NFTs as Sparkling DRM.) It’s bad DRM: it doesn’t actually prevent Right Click > Download. But NFTs also don’t serve any purpose that is not DRM.
@suika they say, fediverse is not popular
@suika
Ohhh! wE nEeD bLoCkChAiN fEdIvErSe !!!1!1!!1!1
@suika was hast Du denn bloß gegen #blockchains?
@krautart Es wird oft als Marketing-Schlagwort verwendet. Wenn ein Kunde fragt, ob es eine gute Idee ist, seiner Software "Blockchain" hinzuzufügen, lautet die Antwort in der Regel "Nein", denn die Wahrscheinlichkeit ist groß, dass er keine Ahnung hat, was Blockchain ist.
@suika das ist natürlich ein Argument ;)
Ich finde dezentralisierte Netzwerke, die (wenn PoS o.ä) durchaus umweltverträglich sind und z.B. das globale Finanzwesen vom Kopf auf die Füße stellen können, eigtl. ne ziemlich gute Idee.
@suika flow chart = linked list = a blockchain