I'm against the initiation of violence, and deeply disturbed by Putin's autocratic leadership, but to play the devil's advocate...

What's the difference between Russia invading the Ukraine and the US invading Afghanistan in the early 2000s (which Biden voted for)?

* Ukraine is on Russia's border, Afghanistan is no where near the US

* Russia actually declared war, instead of pretending it's some kind of cross-border policing action

#Ukraine

My post comparing the invasion of Ukraine with the US invasion of Afghanistan has raised a few hackles. It was made in anticipation of comments like this ...

"This is the most threatening circumstances the world's faced since the end of the Second World War... "

- #GerryBrownlee

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/462519/national-urges-visa-for-ukrainians-fleeing-unhinged-putin-s-war

National urges visa for Ukrainians fleeing 'unhinged' Putin's war

National is calling on the government to fast-track Ukrainian visas and bring in a humanitarian visa category for close family members of Ukrainians living in New Zealand.

RNZ
... which I don't believe are justified when considering the US invaded more than one sovereign country this century, without any preceding military attack from that country's armed forces.

Seems I'm not the only person seeing the parallels between Putin's invasion of Ukraine and George W Bush's invasions:

"In other words, the mindset of Putin in Ukraine in 2022 seems very much like the delusionary worldview held by US President George W. Bush in 2003 with regard to Iraq. Bush was another imperial invader who thought he would be greeted as a liberator, by a grateful people throwing roses."

- #GordonCampbell, 2022

Can Bush be seen as worse because he used the pretext of Weapons of Mass Destruction to invade Iraq, and the illusionary connections to 9/11 ? It seemed like he didn't take the pretext seriously himself, when he pretended to look for them under a podium during a speech later. Then his buddy's Halliburton corporation made a lot of money off the fiasco/catastrophe.. The Nato expansion concerned might be a more substantial pretext given the history of W. European invasions of Russia... @strypey

@bsmall2 @strypey

The Nato expansion concerned might be a more substantial pretext given the history of W. European invasions of Russia

There was no “NATO expansion” in Eastern Europe. There were Eastern European countries desperately applying to join NATO in the face of Russian revanchism and imperialist threats. As we see since 2014, these concerns were entirely justified. And sorry but no, not a single Eastern European country has raised any territorial claims or threatened Russia, while the latter did that since 90’s.

@kravietz @strypey
'... the U.S. role in the 2014 coup ... helped to overthrow Ukraine’s elected president. In 2013, President Viktor Yanukovych had resisted economic reforms sought by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to make Ukraine more enticing to investors...lowering wages and reducing the education and health sectors (which comprised most of Ukrainian employment), as well as cutting natural gas subsidies that facilitated affordable energy ... .'
https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/us-stokes-tensions-with-russia-by-building-military-base-100-miles-from-border/
#MarjorieCohn
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