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Material for an #HRPEp on the differences between CC-by-SA 3.0 Unported and CC-by-SA 4.0 International

Re: mastodon.sdf.org/@ken_fallon/1…

- CC-by-SA 3.0 U creativecommons.org/licenses/b…
- CC-by-SA 4.0 I creativecommons.org/licenses/b…
- 4.0 release notes and comparison creativecommons.org/version4/
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Show threadclacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Aug 2, 2021
Highlights:
- The renaming from "Unported" to "International" reflects less need for porting, thanks to improved language recognized in more jurisdictions.
- Improved readability and clarity in general
- Grace/cure period similar to GPLv3

@ken_fallon @perloid At this quick glance it sounds like an upgrade would be a clear improvement.
Show threadclacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Aug 2, 2021
I think the cure period was a GPLv3 first and the CC vs GPL timeline confirms that it was at least way before CC (which got it in v4 as mentioned above):

- 2007-02-23 creativecommons.org/2007/02/23…
- 2007-06-29 www.fsf.org/news/gplv3_launche…
- 2013-11-26 creativecommons.org/2013/11/26…

I think it also shows that after 6 years of GPLv3 having it, CC and their international volunteer army of lawyers considered it still a good idea.
Version 3.0 Launched - Creative Commons

The latest version of the Creative Commons licenses — Version 3.0 — are now available. To briefly recap what is different in this version of the licenses: Separating the “generic” from the US license As part of Version 3.0, we have spun off the “generic” license to be the CC US license and created a … Read More "Version 3.0 Launched"

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Show threadKen Fallon (PA7KEN, G5KEN)Aug 2, 2021

@clacke @perloid Reading 3.0 would seem that there is a "or later" clause anyway.

I'll ping the @hpr maillist

Show threadclacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Aug 2, 2021
@ken_fallon @hpr @perloid Yes, from a legal standpoint HPR would be able to move any CC-licensed content to v4 equivalents without any explicit permission from the original authors.
Show threadclacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Aug 7, 2021
Apparently it's Complicated:

opensource.stackexchange.com/q…
/via hackerpublicradio.org/pipermai…

The license distinguishes between verbatim distribution, which must follow the original license, and Adaptation / Adapted Material, which may upgrade the iicense.

HPR does make modifications to the submitted episode. That means that HPR has the legal right to upgrade the license. It also makes me realize that HPR should probably add a notice to the effect of "The original work has been modified to add intro, outro and/or volume normalization".
Can I "upgrade" the version of CC BY-SA from 3.0 to 4.0 in my modification?

What I'm doing: I'm adapting a work licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported license to a different language. I'm indicating the original work and its license. I'm indicating that I have made changes ...

Show threadKen Fallon (PA7KEN, G5KEN)Aug 7, 2021

@clacke

We make clear that our changes and by uploading you are happy with this and as such becomes part of the "original work.

"We do transcode the audio into different formats. .. that this only relates to the audio you upload. The rest of the meta-data (branding/summaries/tags/show notes/etc.), are managed by the HPR Community, and may be edited. "
https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php

Hacker Public Radio ~ The Technology Community Podcast

Hacker Public Radio is an podcast that releases shows every weekday Monday through Friday. Our shows are produced by the community (you) and can be on any topic that are of interest to hackers and hobbyists.

Show threadKen Fallon (PA7KEN, G5KEN)Aug 7, 2021
@clacke Also the change relates to new shows only. Anything before the date we change will be 3.0 and anything after that will be 4.0.
Show threadclacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Aug 7, 2021
The author knows this and is obviously fine with it. I'm talking about the formal requirements in the license.
Show threadclacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Aug 7, 2021
libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-2…

The material for the multiple #HPREp (this time spelled correctly) on the CC-by-SA licenses 3.0 and 4.0.
Claes Wallin 🇸🇪🇭🇰

Material for an #HRPEp on the differences between CC-by-SA 3.0 Unported and CC-by-SA 4.0 International Re: https://mastodon.sdf.org/@ken_fallon/106685528178...

Show threadclacke: exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛Sep 4, 2021
CC-by-SA 3.0 is 25 minutes long, but CC-by-SA 4.0 is only 20 minutes long!

4.0 has more lines, but the lines are shorter, 3.0 has several monster paragraphs (and many of them are one single sentence for the whole paragraph, gasp).

And that's with the 4.0 being more portable to jurisdictions over the world and adding new features like sui generis db rights and the automatic reinstatement / grace period. That's pretty impressive. They've done a bit to their own license what Richard Fontana did to the GPLv3 in copyleft-next.