I've run a big text adventure for thirteen years (at one point briefly it was the biggest text adventure!) and if there's one thing I've about managing a big online community in that time that I'd choose to pass on as a warning to others, it's this: remove the people who don't like being there.

Some folks just don't like the place, or they liked it once and they don't anymore, and that's fine.

You'd think they'd just go somewhere else, and most do, but some don't, and those folks are AWFUL.

Some folks can come in, have fun for a month or so then stop having fun but keep coming back for YEARS. They're always negative enough that nobody likes them, and they'll complain about being so unliked on this awful website that used to be great for two weeks in 2009, and everyone wants them to leave and they hate it here but they JUST. WON'T. LEAVE.

Ban them! It sounds straightforward but it's really shockingly easy to roll your eyes and move on and not ban them, but you've gotta ban them!

Bucause if you DON'T ban them, then they find each other! They set up gross unhealthy little quicksand cliques of misery, and they try to suck others in too!

I don't have any of these players on Improbable Island right now, they've all migrated to a Discord server devoted to being unhealthily obsessed with the game that they don't like, but I was just reminded of this weird mestastisized social failure state by /r/watchredditdie, which is probably the most miserable place I've ever seen

(in our updated code of conduct I actually spelled it out, if you're not having fun then for god's sake leave)

The worst part of this horrible dynamic is you have people using your site to immiserate themselves. And you probably made the site with the intention of helping people have fun and make new friends.

Seeing people use your creations to hurt others is a thing that devs have to be on guard against because lots of people are awful and we all know about that already - but watching someone use your creation to hurt *themselves* is a novel sort of heartbreak.

It really hurts, watching someone torture themselves with your creation, and the kind thing to do for yourself and for them and for everyone around them is to just bloody stop it.

Banning someone for your own mental health is fine and healthy and frees up your emotional resources to care for the community.

@ifixcoinops fwiw, as someone who has totally clung to an online community as I made myself miserable with it, I think I would have long term been better off if someone had said "yeah, you clearly don't want to be here, go away" and banned me for some period.

I can't even really explain it either, it's like I had some strange idea that if I just yelled loud enough everyone would see reason, when I just didn't like the community.

@cowwan @ifixcoinops And I'll say, having stuck around a community I didn't like for the sake of convenient access to some friends who were there? Left me miserable and corroded the friendships to the point that they all died anyway. I'd have been better off had they kicked me out honestly after they realized they did not want me there.
@Austin_Dern @cowwan I'm sorry that happened. It's really hard to notice when we're hurting ourselves, and sometimes even after we know, it can be hard to stop. :(

@ifixcoinops @cowwan Thank you.

I'm fortunate that I can say that, traumatic as it was, this was the worst thing to have happened to me, and I did learn things that made me better at the community I do run.

@Austin_Dern @cowwan Was this a pinball thing?
@ifixcoinops @cowwan No, it was a small private furry muck. So it had a lot of factors encouraging it to be "middle school except you all have knee pains too" that I didn't understand until too late.
@Austin_Dern @cowwan See this here's the problem, you're good at running a community because you've been hurt in specific ways by specific dynamics that you know to watch out for, whereas the techbros running the big socials are all twentysomethings who don't remember newsgroups and they won't listen to those who do, and when the same crap happens that has always happened online since acoustic-coupler modems they pull a surprised pikachu face
@ifixcoinops You have something there. I've been through the alt.fan.furry flame wars, the shout channels on FurryMuck, the October seasonal mailing-list explosions, the LiveJournal drama, birdsite and its drama, and any given week of Mastodon Discourse. Plus some good books about the thinking that went in to the Bay of Pigs fiasco. I can find a warning sign in anything now.