Maiyannah BishopI continue to be amused by people who want to discuss changes to a social network on anything but that social network.
All of the people who would be affected by any proposed change to the social networking standards are _right here_ talking on this thing _right now_. Any alternative is just going to be a subset of those people at best. If you want to discuss changes I'm going to consider at all, discuss them here, or don't bother.
sungo@maiyannah But they might get involved in the conversation before there's a common front by the admins/devs! They might have an opinion before the admins/devs are ready to hand down an edict! *eye rolling so hard they stick*
@maiyannah I remember when a decision to create an admin-only instance and to use Discourse heavily happened a couple months ago. It was entirely about controlling the narrative. There was a distinct desire for a lack of transparency about the ongoing operations of instances.
Well, and making sure the messages didn't propagate to the GS side of the fediverse because god help us if the OLD TIMERS had thoughts.
Well, and making sure the messages didn't propagate to the GS side of the fediverse because god help us if the OLD TIMERS had thoughts.
@sungo By splitting the community like that they empower a few at the cost of the many. It's literally the oppression dynamic. I reject it.
Nolan Lawson@maiyannah @sungo Just for context, I'm the one who spearheaded the admin-only instance (which is basically dead now BTW). My original goals were:
- move meta-talk off of the timeline; it was consuming all discussion
- try to get admins to at least talk to each other
- originally it was admin-only, but I relaxed this and even added a non-admin as an admin (insert Bertrand Russell reference) to avoid any appearance of elitist cabal
@nolan @maiyannah while I get that meta-talk was insane back then, consuming all discussion was actually important because folks were defining the culture of the system. Folks could always mute you all as I did from time to time. When the admins disappeared, the users lost their voice and their say in the culture you all were creating.
@sungo @maiyannah Discourse forum is open; do you see this as a better alternative w.r.t inclusiveness? I agree my idea of "admins only" instance was too secret cabal-y.
@maiyannah @sungo I dunno, I kinda feel like it's too ephemeral here, and lack of searchability makes it hard to keep a paper trail (dunno if postActiv's UI is more amenable to this). I doubt Twitter's devs use Twitter to discuss dev stuff, so to me it seems fine to use some other communication software for dev/community talk. Already a lot of it is on GitHub.
gled => Moved@nolan @maiyannah @sungo I kind of second Maiyannah there, implementing groups and using that would be much more efficient imho. We are admin on mastodon, and as an example, I'm allergic to discourse so i'll probably not be active there... Regarding dev questions, there's already GH...
covfefe@sungo @gled @nolan @maiyannah This one I really don't understand: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/1446#issuecomment-293142234
@covfefe @maiyannah @nolan @gled Well, to be fair, I've seen how badly the system reacts to no limits. GS has no required limit and Mastodon has to respect incoming messages. Someone I know wrote their own ostatus thing and used it to dump the entirety of War & Peace into a message. Things went about as well as you'd imagine with megabytes of text in a single message.
@maiyannah @nolan @covfefe @gled Again, this goes back to "GS has been there and seen what happens and has stories to tell" but Mastodon folks do not give a shit because the kids know better than their parents. An immense amount of time and code is being lost solving problems that GS folks could help with if folks just asked.