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first of all science is not a belief system
there's no bible, you do not take a list of things in a book and have faith that they are the truth. science is not about faith. science isn't even about truth!
science is about doing controlled experiments to develop models of natural processes
the key thing is that everything "science says" is backed by experimental results. science doesn't actually say anything. science doesn't require you to believe in the theory. just that the experiments were carried out as described.
even then, the theory is not objective truth. the theory is a _model_ that helps us predict something that happens based on the previous observations of stuff that happens. nothing in science can ever be proven "true". but that's kind of irrelevant because we don't ask that theories be "true" in the first place. we only ask that theories help us understand and predict the wacky stuff that happens around us. that's the point
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importantly, science is wrong. any theory can be disproven at any time by any contradictory experimental result (which kind of sucks if you think about it right! you might think science is the search for the "truth", but all we can tell you for sure is stuff that's not true. heck)

so the point is, if you observe or experience something, and someone tells you "but, science says that can't happen!" actually science can't say shit. maybe the bible says for certain what can't happen. maybe you believe it. maybe it happens anyway. ultimately the world around us does not care what our current model of it is. the world will do stuff as it pleases, and we simply have to update the models to account for it

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ultimately observations are the foundation of science. science is strengthened by observations. the whole existence of science depends on observations. observations form science. not the other way around.
so stop using "science" to invalidate other people's observations. that's not how it works. you can't use "science" as a tool to push your shitty ideologies when you don't even know the first thing about science. or that it doesn't actually support anything you said
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@haskal
>if you observe or experience something, and someone tells you "but, science says that can't happen!" actually science can't say shit

this is true but with the caveat, that if an observation appears to directly contradict a well-established scientific fact(for instance, the theory of general relativity) then it warrants significant further investigation and repetition before the theory is considered invalid. Equipment, eyes, and the human mind can all be unreliable and susceptible to unforseen bias, hence why well-designed and controlled and repeated experiments are necessary to establish a fact as 'scientific'.

Also it's worth noting that quite a lot of things that some people dismiss instantly as 'unscientific' (such as ghosts) are perfectly permissible within the commonly accepted scientific theories, and that the standards for truth in some fields such as psychology are much weaker than others.