mike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 22, 2020
Does anybody know #collectivetools and where they're coming from?
https://collective.tools/
https://collective.tools/features.html
> Developing new methods for citizen participation with the support of Vinnova
Free no-signup video chat rooms (jitsi)
https://meet.collective.tools/
Subscription accounts for . . kanban task management (Trelloish), messaging in channels (Slackish), cloud storage/calendar (NextCloud). Under coop ownership.
Developers are DigidemLab Gothenburg
https://digidemlab.org/en/
https://digidemlab.org/lab/en/
Collective Tools – Get organized – without losing control of your data

Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 22, 2020
#collectivetools 1of2
looks interesting as a platform. Disroot is coming from the FLOSS direction, platformed toolkits of apps for federating anarcho individuals? CT is coming from #partnerstate #civictech direction - digital infrastructure for municipal collaborations.
Originating in Gothenburg Sweden, riding on the back of local municipal collaborations. Developed in partnership with Swedish national public policy oriented R&D organisation Vinnova.Very Swedish 😀
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 22, 2020
#collectivetools 2of2
Does this join up with recent discussion here of platform toolkits for organisers, and wider community development aims of social.coop?
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Show threadMattias AxellMar 22, 2020
@mike_hales
You found the right info about CT. I have been advising a bit since the start from my work with DigidemLab. CT is also coming from the direction of FLOSS and is directed mostly toward co-ops and civil society NGO's. Hope you find it interesting for use in co-ops.
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 22, 2020

@mattiasaxell
Thanks Mattias. What's the business status of #collectivetools? A coop under Swedish law? Is startup funding involved?

Is Vinnova much involved in CT? I know a little about them, worked with people there on national innovation systems in the 90s. Or is financial support more at the municipal level?

Likewise, status of Digidem Lab?
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen

Show threadMattias AxellMar 25, 2020

@mike_hales Business status is that it is getting requests globally now due to #COVID19. It is registered as a coop under Swedish law. No startup funding AFAIK. You find the statutes (not yet in English) here: https://help.collective.tools/en/membership/statutes

E-mail is here if you want to contact: https://collective.tools/about.html

Vinnova is not involved as far as I know. Ok, cool! I do not know but believe CT do not get external funding.

Vinnova financed DigidemLab for participatory democracy project.

@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen

Statutes | Collective Tools User Manual

Manual to get started with your Collective Tools installation.

Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 25, 2020
@mattiasaxell
Great. Thanks Mattias
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Show threadMattias AxellMar 26, 2020
@mike_hales
Of course, you're very welcome. I just learnt that you also can reach one of the founders at @p_jo too.
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 26, 2020
@mattiasaxell
Just followed p_jo, thanks. They already had followed me. Hi p_jo. Matt, Bob and I are some of the people here who are hoping to figure out better, just what sets of tools are available, in what platforms - and whether these sets meet the needs of our movements (or whether social.coop might want to launch anything of its own - in addition to this Mastodon instance). This toolkit thing is a question I hear coming from all sides (before Covid-19)
@p_jo @Matt_Noyes @bhaugen
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 26, 2020
@p_jo
In your activist setting in ¿Sweden? is the generic collective.tools kit (kanban + rocket + cloud storage + meet.jitsi) strongly connected - in use, or in the platforms’ ownership - with the civil society/municipal toolkits, Consul and Decidim? Or are these kept in different movement ‘silos’?
Are these offerings aimed at the same or different activist user populations?
I’m discovering that coop activists may grab the former, no interest in the latter
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Show threadPetter JoelsonMar 27, 2020
@mike_hales
Hi Mike! Glad that you are interested in what we are doing! No that’s quite different target audiences, consul and decidim mainly for cities and housing companies at the moment, to do participatory budgets and collective tools for campaigns, networks and coops. We are also preparing to launch individual accounts soon with email + Nextcloud.
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Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 27, 2020
@p_jo
Hi Petter! D'you feel there's a gap of any kind between the 'bottom up' collective.tools 'use case' and the 'top down' municipalist use case of Consul etc? Just wondering, haven't experience myself. of the latter. But feel it matters, to grasp how these infrastructures are developing, and whether de facto silos are still present.
My angle is 'making the living economy' & infrastructuring this. Includes the DisCO model of coop commons. D'you know it?
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen @mattiasaxell
Show threadPetter Joelson
@mike_hales
But I’d love to develop it further, and also use Decidim/Consul in more settings as they are cool platforms that came out of the 15M movement.
No, whats DisCO?
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen @mattiasaxell
Mar 28, 2020 at 10:54amAmaroq
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 28, 2020

@p_jo
DisCO is a model of coop organising, commons-oriented with a feminist economics (a rich model of contribution, value production and livelihood in the gig economy). It sits in the frame of the P2P Foundation. Prototyped by Guerrilla Translation!
https://geo.coop/articles/tales-disco
https://www.guerrillatranslation.org/tag/p2p/
https://wiki.guerrillamediacollective.org/index.php/Main_Page
DisCO to be discussed in social.coop reading group April 6th
https://www.loomio.org/g/5QKrvbgs/social-coop-reading-group
Sophisticated governance model
https://wiki.guerrillamediacollective.org/index.php/Distributed_Cooperative_Organization_(DisCO)_Governance_Model_V_3.0

@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen @mattiasaxell

Tales of a DisCO | Grassroots Economic Organizing

Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 28, 2020
@p_jo
Guerrilla Translation! has strong 15M roots.
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen @mattiasaxell
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 28, 2020
@p_jo 1of2
> most organisations needs are more basic . . they needed tech support [thus] CT
Yep. I sense deepening focus now, on bridging between (migrating through)
- basic activist social media infrastructures for communicating & coordinating & discussing & news
- focused coordination frames, maybe w tools specialised to sectors of civil society and economic organising - like coops, municipalism and tech platforming itself, and
. . .
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen @mattiasaxell
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 28, 2020
@p_jo 2of2
- distributed organising of 'formacion' - the production of radical activist **capability** & literacy & practical collaborative action-research&development. Not mere broadcasting of digital media or anonymous casual geeky provision of tech infrastructure. Creating actual 'schools' or 'colleges' for the P2P making of the living economy. This is the hard one? But ppl are seeing this hierarchy, this journey, now? And developing the college capability
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen @mattiasaxell
Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 28, 2020
@p_jo
In a sense, the DisCO folks are embarking on a global 'DisCO college' programme now. With a well architected digital infrastructure but much more than 'a platform'. A community of radical skill, shared literacy & language, and mutually oriented interweaving commons-transition 'dual power' practice, within the global coop sector?
@Matt_Noyes @bhaugen @mattiasaxell @Stacco
Show threadPetter JoelsonMar 28, 2020
@mike_hales
Cool, I need to read up on this stuff!
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Show threadmike_hales 💔*!?¿*Mar 28, 2020
@p_jo You're welcome to join the social.coop reading group session. Should be interesting.