محترمہ پربھا ✅Just another day in new India, Hindus not wanting a Muslim professor to teach Sanskrit. But Hindutva is different apparently 🙄
Amit Ramesan 🇮🇳Prabha, you are just doing the same thing the BJP is doing : conflating Hinduism and Hindutva.
Hindutva by itself is morally indefensible ; why allow it to hide behind Hinduism?
Agreed, Hinduism itself has a long way to go before we can create an egalitarian society in India.
The "boil the ocean" approach isn't going to work ; let's prioritize the struggle against Hindutva and save our nation first, over reform in Hinduism.
@AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan
Please don’t do false equivalence. Hindutva ideology did not do this Hindus did this, same with many other things. Let’s stop pretending that majority Hindus are turning bigoted
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Manny@Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan We keep on denying, but everywhere FB, Twitter & WA groups, the story is the same. We label them as Hindutva, but all of them happen to be our own friends, colleagues & relatives. Just handful of Hindus who r openly calling out the hatred. V keep on saying 31% when almost the entire country voted for Modi with a massive mandate. It's time we recognize this. At the moment, I personally feel, all is lost and V r no different than the Nazis.
RAJESH KUMAR (@rkhuria)@cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan Don’t think all is lost. Given current state of Economy and Employment, economic arguments might appeal more to voters than purely a communal argument. We need to find innovative channels, circumventing traditional TV media, to communicate. Modi’s disastrous economic performance gives us a window of opportunity
@rkhuria @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona There is a video of victims of the PMC bank disaster. A small section of the crowd starts shouting "Chowkidar Chor Hai" and there is an immediate reaction from many other PMC bank victims who tell "Don't speak like that about or PM". He is not responsible and a fight breaks out between two sections of the demonstrators. Folks acknowledge the economic mess but still want to blame the Cong party for the mess. I have few other stories like this too.
@cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Just btw I am PMC victim. That apart don’t go by one video. On Whatsapp I get regular videos of PMC customers shower ‘Modiji’ with choicest abuses. And with Economic growth plummeting, ppl are likely to have less money in hand and little job security. If we can’t convert this situation against Modi, we will never be able to. Modi has never been so vulnerable as now with Major nations faulting him on Kashmir
Salman@rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona But can common Hindus see beyond propaganda ? Can People go against Modi on economy and at the same time cheer him for locking Kashmir down, playing drama's on Pakistan ?
The cheerleading majority has given Modi a free hand to do anything against democracy, freedom. Take situation in Kashmir for example. One state is locked down since 103 days, and it is not even part of road side discussions in rest of India.
The cheerleading majority has given Modi a free hand to do anything against democracy, freedom. Take situation in Kashmir for example. One state is locked down since 103 days, and it is not even part of road side discussions in rest of India.
TempEarth@salm456 @rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona This has been on my mind for quite a long time. Economy is down, so ppl are not happy with Modi. But to me, it is very scary that majority of the ppl go against Modi only coz their money is in danger. Kashmir, the communal hatred and brainwashing being done should anger or alarm our ppl, even if they got the 15lakh jumla in their account. I feel scared when I think of the free reign they will give him if the economy improves.
@tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Economy is not going to improve in a hurry. Modi is also like to go slow on Muslim bashing because , going by his body language, his meetings in Saudi Arabia didn’t go too well. I still do believe what we need to tackle most urgently is communication- need to communicate our perspective to voters in the face of a hostile media. Voters prefer Modi / BJP because 24*7 they hear his propaganda on all channels
@rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Everyone knew Modi is dangerous for economy,but still he won with even bigger Majority in 2019. The fundamental structure of Indian democracy has been weakened, constitutional institutions are bowing down. Only authority is Hindutva. When RSS thinks Modi can no longer lead, they will themselves disown Modi, and bring another bigot forward. There has to be a strategy to counter Hindutva rather than covering it up.
@salm456 @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona While I agree with most of u said, I also believe anyone who is regularly exposed to TV News can’t but believe in Modi because he is presented as a virtual superman. So the basic problem is not voters’ own thinking but the communication he is exposed to. Instead of blaming voters we need to find ways to expose him to alternative communication
@rkhuria @salm456 @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona the question is how do we do this? This is a superstitious country who now believe Modi will deliver s Hindu nation. Do you remember the madness that gripped entire country in Sep 1995, Ganesha drinking milk?Yes we are that mad to believe in such things
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hindu-world-divided-by-a-24-hour-wonder-1602382.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hindu-world-divided-by-a-24-hour-wonder-1602382.html
Raghu R@cprogrammer @rkhuria @salm456 @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
This is how:
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@cprogrammer @salm456 @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona So we really need to prove that Modi is bad for even Hindus. Is it so difficult to prove when in the economic disaster he has unleashed, common people are suffering- 70% of whom are Hindus?
ItsRiz@rkhuria @cprogrammer @salm456 @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona "We really need to prove that Modi is bad for even Hindus" . Yes Indeed. As Owasi told "Hindu mind has been hacked", and it's hacked through a strategical propaganda through every other
medium you name it, now majority of society believing to a point that blaming Modi/BJP is Hindu-blasphemy.
medium you name it, now majority of society believing to a point that blaming Modi/BJP is Hindu-blasphemy.
@salm456 @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona my worry is that "historians" will one day elevate Modi as a "non-partisan statesman" once Yogi ascends to power... Just like the comparison with Modi made Vajpayee look "moderate" in their eyes.
Vivek@RaghunathR @salm456 @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
We have a saying in Marathi that means " a brick is softer than stone". Having said that, not all historians (i have deliberately avoided the quotation marks) see Vajpayee as a moderate. In fact they see his as the foundation on which the "Modi" edifice is constructed.
We have a saying in Marathi that means " a brick is softer than stone". Having said that, not all historians (i have deliberately avoided the quotation marks) see Vajpayee as a moderate. In fact they see his as the foundation on which the "Modi" edifice is constructed.
Prasad S@salm456 @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Aren't you paying attention to what's happening in Maharashtra? It's an all out war against Modi-Shah and RSS is supportive of ShivSena.
Iconoclast | غیر عقائد@rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
Rajesh ji, don't even think for a second that persecution or otherwise of Muslims will have a bearing on how KSA responds. Saudi regime is rogue.
Rajesh ji, don't even think for a second that persecution or otherwise of Muslims will have a bearing on how KSA responds. Saudi regime is rogue.
@rkhuria @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I agree with you on the propaganda channels. In a country where TV rules the lives of ppl, we should have a channel that lists out the facts and the reasons behind it. Modi may be slow in muslim bashing nowadays but his supporters and voters aren't. The duo has unleashed a hateful demon that maybe imposible even for them to reign in.
@tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona In fact Modi has subcontracted demonising of Muslims to TV channels. Our first battle is against TV channels or establishing alternative communication channels
@rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The spokespersons of opposition parties are ready to get humiliated on channels but won't stop participating in those propaganda debates.
Nothing can be done about them. Best way to counter them is to take our matters directly to public. Not just political parties, but everybody can do it. If media can demonise us, then we can demonise media as well. I successfully stopped a "bhakt" friend from watching news.
Nothing can be done about them. Best way to counter them is to take our matters directly to public. Not just political parties, but everybody can do it. If media can demonise us, then we can demonise media as well. I successfully stopped a "bhakt" friend from watching news.
Vrigu ❎@rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona This is exactly what the fascists did in the run up to 2014. To make up for the lack of space for them in tv news and newspapers, they just circumnavigated around traditional channels and spewed their venom on the nascent social media channels. Never thought that they will be dictating the terms in social media on day.
جویریہ آفرین حسینی@salm456 @rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
Betrayal is the only truth that sticks.
Betrayal is the only truth that sticks.
Aaditya Verma@salm456 @rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona there are many people opposing the government policies but not openly. While I am writing this I condemn the policy of Kashmir and economy has gone to the the dogs. BTW I am a Hindu.
@rkhuria @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona am sorry you are a PMC victim, I hope you get your dues. But honestly the masses are so poisoned there is no fair reasoning. They have been told Muslims are our ebonies and Khangress is our enemy . They believe it
@Deepsealioness @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona I do feel mood is changing. In Haryana & Maharashtra & assembly by elections BJP performance was below par. Modi is being roundly criticised on Kashmir, Economic Mismanagement. Muslim bashing has reached a point of saturation and people seem more concerned about diminishing earnings / job security. BJP’s allies are deserting it. Now is the time to make a final combined push against Modi
Arshad malik@rkhuria @Deepsealioness @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona we thought this before the general election but ultimately people were swayed by modi and unfortunately he has attained a kind of Messiah image
Thank you for your courage in speaking up in public, Sir ; @DilliDurAst made the same suggestion that we should avoid religious arguments in favour of less-emotive ones, like the economy.
On the economic front, what we are facing now is economic terrorism, आर्थिक आतंकवाद.
BTW, I feel that non-emotive arguments are necessary, but insufficient ; thus, the need to address the Hinduism-Hindutva dichotomy.
@rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Just wait for him to dangle the carrot of UCC or citizenship bill and all will be forgiven. Because...hey! He is showing Muslims his place, right?
Salma سلما 
@cprogrammer you are absolutely right! In one of d WA groups I saw a member comparing PMC Bank crisis and what Congress did. I deleted that forward, otherwise wud have shared here. That WA forward simply trying to prove whatsoever, Congress did more damage than what the ruling govt is doing. In a way supporting the ruling party no matter what the economic condition is currently.
Fameen@cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan the problem is that the same Hindus have no qualms demanding louder denials from mainstream Muslims whenever an international terrorist event happens. What's good for the goose is not good for the gander, apparently, when it comes to conflation.
@cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan They have set the narrative and we just have to revolve around that
NSure ✔@cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan
You forgot the EVMs, friend!!
I am finding more & more bhakts unhappy with snoopy. Some themselves feel the pinch, others have bros/ sis/ dear friends feeling the pinch and so, the change!
Neither ultra rich nor ultra poor will feel it - one has too much money to bother, the other isn't bothered coz they haven't seen money...
It is the middle class that feels it and the majority of us are middle class!!
I don't think we should blame EVMs whenever the result goes against us; look at MH results.
Besides, do consider the various opinions here that Mr. Modi still enjoys substantial, if waning, support.
Let's prepare for the scary scenario : there's no fixing.
There's a lot of good work being done by @naukarshah , @poonamjourno et al. on EVM issues in parallel, so I'd say , once again : we should prepare for the scary scenario of "No fixing."
@AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan i never believed that EVM have been solely responsible. I have asked so many people, shopkeepers, uber drivers, househelp here in Pune, Maharashtra. All of them voted 4 Modi in lok sabha elections. The state elections too, they voted for BJP. There is a huge class divide. For them Modi is a cult figure, who has destroyed the rich & the corrupt Khangress & he is correcting the wrong
Ranjona@cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan
And yet i have met many who said they did not vote Modi, especially in May 2019 and yet... anecdotal evidence although us journalists use it all the time, is interesting but not a complete yardstick.
And yet i have met many who said they did not vote Modi, especially in May 2019 and yet... anecdotal evidence although us journalists use it all the time, is interesting but not a complete yardstick.
@ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan my observation might not apply 2 other places, because Pune is urban and has large Brahmin population who always votes 4 BJP. I know so many who distributed sweets when Babri was felled down. Many have distributed pamphlets in the 90s that Taj Mahal was built over a shiv temple. Those pamphlets also provide proofs (all false). My own relatives r all blind bhakts, except 4 just 5 of us.
@cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan it's a combination of both then, where the race is neck to neck tamper the evms... But we've turned far right in extremely short span of time
@ansh_blue @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
Maybe, friend. But what goes up will come down too!
@cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan relatives, friends, high school classmates, neighbors...all seem to be under the thrall of "dear leader".... If not for Mastodon, I would be forgiven to think we are an endangered tribe
@RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
It's changing before my eyes! Someone's brother has lost his job, someone else is bothered by the prospect of paying tax on his gold. Someone else is now worried that his property is worth much less now, while someone else has now started seeing the devious agenda - completely disregarding economy & humanity if the bjpee
No, I'd say bjpee fandom is getting weaker by the day, coz their policies spare noone!
@NSure @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
Also I'd say people are scared to speak up.
Also I'd say people are scared to speak up.
@ranjona @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
Indeed. Life is precious to each one of us!
But if life itself is threatened, even a butterfly would fight back and that situation is drawing near!
Once we get rid of hacked EVMs, we will see the real number of bjpee bhaktha!
SabinaBashaIndeed, yes. The same amongst us should take those extra 2 steps to ensure peace, IMHO !
Well Sabina, when we remove hacked EVMs totally from the scene, we will know the truth!
Out of 540 LS seats, the results of 370 haven't been tallied, don't add up! THAT tells a story, isn't it!!
Saumyajit@NSure @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Couple of my friends have voted Congress for the first time in their life in the Maha elections. They are not bhakts but lifetime BJP voters.
@Saumyajit @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
The Prodigal Voters! I'm happy you have a ready example for what I believe strongly in! May the examples multiply like rabbits!!
@NSure @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan The cult of the bhakts still remain though.
@Saumyajit @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
I think it is a few people making all the noise.
I'm more worried about the large number of quiet sheep!! Hopefully, they will grow larynxes and stings soon!!
@NSure @Saumyajit @RaghunathR @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
Justice Katju: "Everything has collapsed in India, all state institutions have become hollow and empty shells, and largely corrupt, while the Indian economy is tanking and the people’s distress is growing, with record and rising unemployment.
http://www.therationaldaily.com/opinion/a-french-revolution-is-coming-in-india/
A French Revolution is coming in India - The Rational Daily
All indications are that some kind of French Revolution is coming in the Indian subcontinent, as I have said in my articles ‘India edges closer to its own French Revolution’ published in the week.in, ‘The stormy petrel is on its wings’ published in indicanews.com, and ‘Why India is headed for its own French Revolution’ published in dailyo.in. Consider …
Bihari Coder@cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan just wanna say something, Please read Harry Potter. And understand the reaction of people when rise and fall of Voldemort happened. People on both sides kept fighting but most of them came out only when their side is winning. Times now show the same. We all are fighting our battles so that we can collectively win the war.
@BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
And where did she (harry potter author - I forget her name) get that from???
From observing LIFE! Every revolution has followed the same pattern!
@ranjona @BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
Thanks, Ranjona! 😊
I remembered the name a bit after pressing TOOT! 😂
@NSure @BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
Haha! Murphy's law never fails!
Haha! Murphy's law never fails!
@ranjona @BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan
No it doesn't fail, ever! 😂😂😂
@ranjona @NSure @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Thanks!! @ranjona @NSure The reason I am referring the book here is that it keeps things in black and white. While real life people are very colourful. It’s quite easy to loose perspective while debating things.