SonuNov 10, 2019
Vidyut

I am no longer Hindu. I am currently a part of an atheist minority and actively converting as many to atheism as possible.

RT if you're in or at least game to keep your gods your private business and are godless for all public purposes.

Only answer to Hindutva may finally be in enough Hindus dumping the religion to turn Hindutva into a solid minority by all interpretations.

Nov 10, 2019 at 7:16pmWeb
Show thread@majchowdhuryNov 10, 2019

@vidyut No.

You cannot win this war by retreating into spaces and allowing them the advantage.

The dichotomy is similar to the Kashmiri Pandits.

We must stand up for what we believe in and fight for what is right.

Even if some of us have to die for it.

Show threadVidyutNov 10, 2019
@majchowdhury We claim the space. If enough of us have the spine. if we don't, there's enough Hindus to render the minorities irrelevant anyway in numbers.
Show thread@majchowdhuryNov 10, 2019

@vidyut Enough of us have the spine.

We will talk face to face.

Dont advocate this, till we have had a conversation...face to face.

Show threadSai KrishnaNov 10, 2019
@vidyut I dunno if its prudent to proselytize atheism. Organized religions leverage certain central beliefs to persuade and convert people. I see the central tenet of atheism to be scepticism or lack of belief. How do you mobilize people around that? And if you do, aren't you succumbing to the processes of religion? Isn't that a kind of defeat?
Show threadVidyutNov 10, 2019
@Saivadla Not so hard. Dump a religion that is a public nuisance. Like you'd dump an abusive partner, or food you're allergic to. What is the complication?
Show threadSai KrishnaNov 10, 2019
@vidyut yeah, can do that personally but how can you make a movement around it? Critiquing religion is necessary, so is promoting rationalism and scientific temper but how do you build a creed of atheism and not expect it to fall into the pitfalls of organized religion?
Show threadVidyutNov 10, 2019

@Saivadla movement happens when people realize something is toxic and needs dumping. Same like people started low carb, low fat, dump abusive partner, and so on.

We do what feels right. Set precedents for more to do what feels right.

Show threadSai KrishnaNov 10, 2019
@vidyut don't know if atheism as a movement can be compared to a diet fad. On a personal level the abusive partner analogy works. But most people find solace in faith. Its organized religion that causes problems because it demands creedal loyalty. Any proselytizing movement, be it religious or secular will eventually replocate the cult like model of religion. It will then be a triumph of the religious method. And a defeat of the scientific method.
Show threadVidyutNov 10, 2019
@Saivadla This is a political answer to the political problem of religion. Science or rationalism doesn't have a monopoly on atheism.
Show threadSai KrishnaNov 10, 2019
@vidyut agree that science and rationalism have no monopoly over atheism, I was only stating my bias towards them. But to thrawt religion politically, maybe it would be better not to use the methods of religion.
Show threadSai KrishnaNov 10, 2019
@vidyut Rationalism provides an alternate model. There maybe be others out there too but I am ignorant among them.
Show threadVidyutNov 10, 2019
@Saivadla Rationalism isn't a religous (or otherwise) model.
Show threadSai KrishnaNov 10, 2019
@vidyut definitely not religious, because it demands the opposite of faith- scepticism. Rethinking my choice of the word "model" too but that's my point. Its not a top down instruction manual of how to lead life. Rationalism and the secular humanism that emanates from it is a foil to organized religion. It does not persuade or convert, unlike an "atheist movement" which would be more akin to religion IMO.
Show threadAjay ChaudharyNov 10, 2019
@vidyut I was born in Hindu family but I am a rational thinker so I question every religion and their thought process. I don't like to identify myself as a religious person.
Show threadVijay DhamaNov 11, 2019
@vidyut Religion is overrated. 💁‍♂️