-iJul 13, 2019

how it seems
#gab sensors people and by claiming to let anyone say anything -
only reveal themselves as possibly naive and def hypocritical?

Since gab is part of the fediverse, tech speaking at least, perhaps #mastodon is an appropriate network to post the notes in.

(a few posts to follow)

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the hypocritical bit.
I might be mistaken, however since the sequence of events goes:

banned by #capitalistMedia for hate kind of speech?
cool - come to #gab,

the context is seems like a whistle blowing for particular people. People who might feel no qualms about making some humans feel fear in their midst.

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How to make humans fear?
Suppose I have organised a cross species party for humans, vampires, butterflies, cows, zombies and all - in the name of allowing to be as you are and party together.
Now, is it authentically honest to claim that as the party organiser - one shouldn't consider the fact that vampires may bite not-vampires
without consent?
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..and being bitten without Consent will influence some creatures to
Stay Away from the so called
Open for all
party - hence, in effect, it is an invite for a party where unwilling creatures are invited to be turned into zombies and vamps.
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Going back to #gab specific
Claiming one shouldn't be threatened when, for example, someone insists on insulting me and wanting to throw me out of my home - or some such to that effect -
sounds hypocritical, intelligence insulting and violent.

Violent?
Yes. From machiavelli's the prince through to goebbles'' - the usage of violence is advocated to be implied rather than stated. eg, goebbles always maintained that the #nazi party isn't #antisemite.

Jul 13, 2019 at 10:37amWeb
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#gab maintains that their instance has something to do with freedom in general and that of expression in particular.

Indeed, a fair bit of people who do spread words of hate towards others - seem to consider themselves defenders of speech's
freedom.

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On face value, with respect, this seems to be an expression from a rather
flat and naive concept of freedom. Naive and flat in the sense of freedom being conceived in a binary kind of manner.
What is free speech? I can say WTF i want.
what isn't a free speech? I can not say WTF i want.

I think what gets lost a bit in debates is that saying *WTF* one wants isn't the question for many people.

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Sure you can say what you want - the question is
How.
HTF are you saying things - a reality, i think, #gab is at best, being naive about.
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Say you have a problem with me being an anarchist, jobless, immigrant, with a funny skin colour, a strange accent and a weird sexuality. Say even more than that, that you rather think of me as a cross between a rat and a cockroach (no disrepect) -
and ofcourse, you claim the right - your absolute right to tell me what you think.
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However, I think it is fair to say that
Unless your aim is to use one way or another for imposing Your right to say anything over my own - then
it seems you need to consider how you are saying WTF
while maintaining my freedom to say WTF
else we both lose the freedom of speech.
(eg, if we are part of the same network - eg #gab - and one of us is in effect prevented from saying WTF,
then we have a less than free and freedom embracing network.
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Yet, people claim that they can tell others anything in however they want.
I tell you you are a some negative such and such - and you can tell me some negative stuff too.
However, again, it seems such a view neglects reality.
How can we maintain the ability for both of us to utter negative stuff about each other -
while
at the same time
prevent all that I don't like this and that about you, you and them -
be base on power and
become violent this way or another.
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Since people who tend to consider How
HTF
they say stuff might save themselves both pointless shouting matches and feeling
threatened in various ways -
#gab seem IMHO ions further
from being that which it
claims to be -
For being free, nor having freedom and speech freedom -
#gab isn't a champ.

##end## ;)

Show threadtitiJul 13, 2019

@ahanon I think you may like the nonviolent communication living approach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication

I'm reading about it and it's surprising to realize how difficult is to express a need without criticize the other. But we're not trained at all...

Nonviolent Communication - Wikipedia