On  @SamHarrisOrg said:
"Welcome to the panopticon...
China becomes an episode of Black Mirror"
and shared this article:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-18/china-social-credit-a-model-citizen-in-a-digital-dictatorship/10200278

to which my response was:
"Give it 5-10 years, then we'll have it too, but with better marketing, but effectively similar.
IIRC Eindhoven has a system (in pilot?) 'similar' as shown in the head picture (Person of Interest style) ... for a snitch city project. Fighting crime and/or terrorism will be used too"

Leave no dark corner

Dandan Fan's every move will soon be watched and judged by her government, and she's happy about that. "Social credit" will unite Big Brother and big data to coerce more than a billion people.

ABC News

It looks like (especially) Barcelona and Amsterdam at least have some sensible approach wrt 'smart cities':
https://decorrespondent.nl/8977/zo-voorkomen-we-dat-onze-steden-veranderen-in-laboratoria-voor-techbedrijven/130639713578-4459edc3
(dutch)

Toronto OTOH, holy shit.
https://theintercept.com/2018/11/13/google-quayside-toronto-smart-city/

“The genesis of the thinking for Sidewalk Labs came from Google’s founders getting excited thinking of ‘all the things you could do if someone would just give us a city and put us in charge’” - Eric Schmidt

Toronto is getting everything you'd expect when you collaborate with Google:
a dystopian nightmare

Zo voorkomen we dat onze steden veranderen in laboratoria voor techbedrijven

In Amsterdam en Barcelona wordt een nieuw soort slimme stad gebouwd. Een waar burgers – niet de techbedrijven – aan zet zijn.

Came to that article from The Intercept from https://theintercept.com/2019/01/28/google-alphabet-sidewalk-labs-replica-cellphone-data/ which was linked in the article from De Correspondent.

"No Google data is used." claims Bowden from Sidewalk Labs
Further down the article:
"data is sourced from 'Android Phones and Google apps.'" and "based off of Google data."
Who would've thought Google is lying ...

Relevance for this thread:
'Smart Cities' is better marketing.

If you're not careful like Barcelona & Amsterdam, you'll get your panopticon.

Google’s Sidewalk Labs Plans to Package and Sell Location Data on Millions of Cellphones

Google's sibling company Sidewalk Labs offers planning agencies the ability to model an entire city's patterns of movement.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/amazon-teams-government-deploy-dangerous-new

"With Rekognition*, a government can now build a system to automate the identification and tracking of anyone. If police body cameras, for example, were outfitted with facial recognition, devices intended for officer transparency and accountability would further transform into surveillance machines aimed at the public."

police body cameras for officer transparency and accountability = better marketing

* Amazon service for facial recognition.

Amazon Teams Up With Government to Deploy Dangerous New Facial Recognition Technology

Amazon, which got its start selling books and still bills itself as “Earth’s most customer-centric company,” has officially entered the surveillance business. The company has developed a powerful and dangerous new facial recognition system and is actively helping governments deploy it. Amazon calls the service “Rekognition.” 

That blog post is linked from https://theintercept.com/2019/02/08/jeff-bezos-protests-the-invasion-of-his-privacy-as-amazon-builds-a-sprawling-surveillance-state-for-everyone-else/

"In a separate advisory, the ACLU said of this face-recognition software that Amazon’s “marketing materials read like a user manual for the type of authoritarian surveillance you can currently see in China.”"

Well, this is a surprise ... it turns out I was way too optimistic with my 5-10 years 😕

Lots of Americans seem to love Amazon and Jeff Bezos as he is a self-made billionaire.
Mass surveillance is indeed quite lucrative :-(

Jeff Bezos Protests the Invasion of His Privacy, as Amazon Builds a Sprawling Surveillance State for Everyone Else

One of the world's greatest privacy invaders just had his privacy invaded.

Ring CEO Jamie Siminoff emailed out the company’s new mission:
use consumer electronics to fight crime.
“We are going to war with anyone that wants to harm a neighborhood”

Ring is a company now owned by Amazon.

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/14/amazon-ring-police-surveillance/

"Ring products come with access to a social app called Neighbors that allows customers to not just to keep tabs on their own property, but also to share information about suspicious-looking individuals and alleged criminality with the rest of the block."

Amazon’s Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag Criminals” as Company Got Closer to Police

Video and internal emails show how Amazon's Ring has blurred line between private innovation and public law enforcement.

“The Neighbors App is the new neighborhood watch that brings your community together to help create safer neighborhoods”

That's better marketing for you.

"A Ring video that appears to have been produced for police reveals that the company has gone out of its way to build a bespoke portal for law enforcement officers who want access to the enormous volume of residential surveillance footage generated by customers’ cameras."

This site is called the Ring Neighborhoods Portal

"Not only does this portal allow police to view Ring customers on a handy, Google-powered map, but it also makes requesting customer surveillance video a matter of several clicks."

"Police can select the homes they’re interested in, and Ring takes it from there, creating an auto-generated form letter that prompts users to provide access to their footage."

Technically, you can deny that request ...

“the portal blurs the line between corporate and government surveillance”

I wonder what you can do if you would combine Rekognition with Ring products ...

Wonder no more. Amazon has already filed a patent which combines those 2 technologies.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/surveillance-technologies/amazons-disturbing-plan-add-face-surveillance-yo-0

"Amazon is dreaming of a dangerous future, with its technology at the center of a massive decentralized surveillance network, running real-time facial recognition on members of the public using cameras installed in people’s doorbells."

Given the 3rd party doctrine, this is scary as hell 😮

Amazon’s Disturbing Plan to Add Face Surveillance to Your Front Door

Recently, a patent application from Amazon became public that would pair face surveillance — like Rekognition, the product that the company is aggressively marketing to police and Immigration and Customs Enforcement — with Ring, a doorbell camera company that Amazon bought earlier this year.

On https://twitter.com/ring you can see a whole lot of feel-good videos made by Ring's products.

Great marketing.

It also shows you in various posts how much of the neighborhood is being monitored. Constantly.
And cameras which watch the inside of people's house.

I thought Amazon's Echo/Alexa was bad...

To quote  escottkey1

"I'm making the point that surrendering your privacy to corporate surveillance devices isn't being treated as seriously as it should be."

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Amazon was recently granted a patent that they, without irony, label "Surveillance as a Service", in which their delivery drones get a 'secondary' task of surveillance.

home security = better marketing

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/21/18700451/amason-delivery-drone-surveillance-home-security-system-patent-application

I'm glad to see some notice a rather disturbing trend as well: https://qz.com/1648875/amazon-receives-us-patent-for-surveillance-as-a-service/

OTOH, others feel it's important to point out that not all patents become reality and that Amazon's drones are not yet operational.
While true, I still call those imbeciles.

Amazon patents ‘surveillance as a service’ tech for its delivery drones

Amazon has patented a piece of “surveillance as a service” technology that would see its delivery drones used for a home security service between package deliveries. The patent was filed back in June 2015.

The Verge
Kim Zetter on Twitter

“Amazon is becoming the new Panopticon. This isn't just surveillance of the homes that want it, but of their neighbors, too. And this would create another dataset - like Amazon Echo - for law enforcement and lawyers to obtain. https://t.co/VtzImuuSYc”

Twitter

"Americans aghast by reports of China’s use of 'social credit scores' to determine a citizen’s 'trustworthiness' are mostly unaware that many U.S. businesses are already using strikingly similar creations"

"encompasses tactics used by employers and landlords to deny applicants jobs and housing, respectively"

“That American corporations are mimicking the actions of an authoritarian government to score and treat consumers differently is disturbing”

https://gizmodo.com/the-surveillance-scores-companies-use-to-rip-you-off-mi-1835812385

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The 'Surveillance Scores' Companies Use to Rip You Off Might Be Totally Illegal

The next time you go to buy toilet paper online, an algorithm may decide to charge you $5 more than your neighbor. You’d probably never know. But even if you did, there’s no way for you to find out why.

I so wish I didn't see this coming :-/
https://mastodon.social/@torproject/102927113306066491

Ring has recently began (afaik, I don't watch a lot of tv) advertising in The Netherlands. It made me sick as I'm absolutely sure of their horrible intend. I doubt anyone else (besides ppl on here) cares about it 😢

Headline is crap "Police catches teenagers thanks to smart doorbell", but the comments contain a wealth of information wrt #privacy and those doorbells/cameras installed by private individuals:
https://tweakers.net/nieuws/160418/politie-pakt-jongens-op-dankzij-beelden-slimme-deurbel.html

It's all in #Dutch though.

The article also contains a link to https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2019/03/28/digitale-deurbel-maakt-straten-veiliger

Yep, that's an article on our national government's website, titled
"Digital doorbell makes streets safer"

That's better marketing for you :-/

So not just ads, but active implementation :-(

@FreePietje ugh, I agree it’s no surprise, it’s just following the current ad-driven internet meta. This is a pretty egregious and potent example of privacy erosion though :(