@lj_writes there's a few things here, let me address them one by one:

> human-powered agriculture is more sustainable for sure but it has also meant backbreaking labor + poverty

I've done a fair bit of land-based labour and it's much less back-breaking and more fun than sitting in front of a screen all day. Plus it's not an either/or. The internet exists in the country, and if more city people moved there and got involved in producing their food, I'm guessing it would get much faster. (1/2)

@lj_writes as for poverty, that pretty much began with industrialization, when people were forced off the land and into cities that didn't have the capacity to accommodate them. People look at the early industrial era and assume things were even worse before then. Actually, it was pretty much the low point for human quality of life in all of history. Pre-industrial serfs ate better and had more holidays than most modern people. See #DougRushkoff's book #LifeInc. for references on that. (2/2)