Onita's CiggieJun 20, 2017
So the "YPG/PYD are a giant Zionist plot" take built on nothing more than a fucking subreddit and a puff piece full of anonymous conjecture from a random Israeli professor from the FUCKING Israel Times might be the worst take I've seen on the Kurdish question yet. Do better tankies. Zionism =\= Kurdish national liberation. Anyone who can't see that is being chauvinist.
Show threadHotRodYugoJun 20, 2017
@sinn_fein_shooter
This whole take has boggled me so much. Like, I can see why the US would provide them support to divide Syria, but that was never their goal afaik. From what I've heard most of them areb't fond of Israel. Despite things I've read to the contrary and other Marxists say, I still think they're doing right by what they've fought for for quite some time.
Show threadOnita's Ciggie
@HotRodYugo exactly. For the most part the US has just helped them against Daesh as a proxy force so as to not put US soldiers on the ground. The "Zionist plot" stuff has been a more recent take and some tankies have even gone as far as to say that Kurdistan as a project is no different than Zionism. Which is fucking ridiculous.
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Show threadHotRodYugoJun 21, 2017
@sinn_fein_shooter
I normally sympathise with tankies but I split hard on this one. There comes a point where ideological purity just doesn't fit in a real world situation, especially in a culture that is way different than our's in the west. I honestly see more similarities in the October Revolution than I do in Zionism given the circumstances.
Show threadOnita's CiggieJun 21, 2017
@HotRodYugo i agree. I'm also amazed at how tankies will bend over backwards to defend revisionist states like China, Cuba, DPRK, etc despite their flaws, but then make the Kurds go through an impossible, idealist ideological purity test. I split with the tankies quite hard here. The struggle of the YPG/PYD in Syria and of the PKK in Turkey is worth supporting, materially if possible.
Show threadHotRodYugoJun 21, 2017
@sinn_fein_shooter
Exactly, Even Engels and Marx made it clear that a revolution has to happen on the material terms currently present. Even Che listened to criticisms of foco and tried to realise realistic solutions. I think a lot of western leftists still see things by the lines on a bourgeouis map.
Show threadOnita's CiggieJun 21, 2017
@HotRodYugo Agreed. All of these weird takes have come from European and other US leftists.
Show threadHotRodYugoJun 21, 2017
@sinn_fein_shooter
And it strikes me as odd that US support = lifelong US ally. I mean ffs Mujahideen anybody?
Show threadOnita's CiggieJun 21, 2017
@HotRodYugo exactly! These contacts/alliances/support/whatever aren't permanent relations. Too many people view these things as static. And I'm disappointed at tankies who make such a big deal about dialectics but then take these binary good/evil takes on imperialism and international relations. There's a big disconnect there in their analysis. It makes me think that *some* don't know what they're talking about.