debbie-chan
Green/Gray/BlackAnarcho-capitalism is for wagecucks. Real free markets have worker ownership of the means of production. #anarchism #marketanarchism #mutualism #agorism
hi@solarpunkagorism wow that sounds like a dystopia. Production is so mechanized and automated today only a few workers would control EVERYTHING. At least today anyone who recognizes the importance and demand of toilet paper can buy stock in the factories that produce it. Imagine if only 100 people owned ALL the profits from the whole world's shitting?
@mlg I can't tell if you're joking or not but there are a lot more people involved in the creation of toilet paper than 100 people, and mutualist free market theory is actually anti-profit.
I'm a bit busy rn but I can explain better around 8:00pm EST.
@solarpunkagorism It takes a lot of human labor and capital to build such a factory, a lot goes into any factory besides just the workers on the floor who keep it running day to day. So i'm interested to hear the theory of how a group of TP factory workers could build their own equivalent factory without bosses/investors/etc? (if you still feel like talking about it when you're free)
@mlg
Watched the video - my point still stands that there are far more than 100 employees involved with the process worldwide, thanks to different branding, locations, types of paper, etc. Decentralized decision making may occasionally take longer, and I know it from experience, but I've also seen that it makes a better product.
From a purely objective standpoint, It would certainly be a more decentralized process when done by these workers than it is when ordered by bosses/investors/etc., simply because there are likely to be more employees than there are bosses/investors/etc.
As for how TP employees build a factory, they don't have to. They could get them the same way anyone buys things - they ask for it from whomever builds them. I have no issue with trading the product of ones labor, only with the amount of state privilege that goes into maintaining the unnecessarily hierarchical system we are currently under - call it capitalism, corporatism, whatever you will.
@mlg as for the mutualist way of being anti-profit, historically people tend to move towards a form of mutual credit when just left on their own without any organized force. I'd go ahead and describe that too, but it's late, and I have some counter-economic customer work I would like to get to, and I want to get that post on my agorist company up before 8:30. I think there's an article on mutual credit at C4SS.org.
@solarpunkagorism does this work for you or any group you know of? kudos if so. In my experience someone has to be a big bad boss or nothing gets done.