Spent my first two days with #mailpile this week. After a bumpy start, I do like!

@HerraBRE is there a good place for "first time user thoughts"? Should I write something up here? Open a bunch of GH issues?

@gwmngilfen Glad you like it! And thanks for asking!

It's a tricky question; we are lacking a venue for general discussions. Github issues and IRC are all we've got. The problem of course is that I mostly want issues to be actual issues, and IRC is too ephemeral.

If it's more impressions and not actual bugs, maybe just send me an e-mail at [email protected]? Or if you have a blog, more people writing about Mailpile is never a bad thing...

@HerraBRE A blog post is not a bad idea, it's been too long since I wrote anything. Crazy weekend coming up, I hope I remember my points by next week :)

Side note: I'm already running 3 separate Discourse instances for various communities. I can highly recommend it if you decide you *do* want a discussion venue.

@gwmngilfen Discourse was the plan, but our volunteer wandered off... ๐Ÿ™„

https://github.com/mailpile/Mailpile/issues/1755

Create a forum for users to interact ยท Issue #1755 ยท mailpile/Mailpile

Before the 1.0, we need some venue for users of Mailpile to interact with each other, ask questions and help out. Gitub Issues is not a good venue for support or community. Our IRC channel (#mailpi...

@gwmngilfen I had a brief moment of insanity where I thought "how hard could it be to create a forum based on Mastodon and Fediverse tools?" and then I regained my senses.
@HerraBRE iirc Briar already implemented forums over Tor... :D #justSaying #dontLookAtMe

@HerraBRE perhaps I could help out there, I'm already running a bunch of these ...

Note to self, invest time in working out how multi-site Discourse works...

@gwmngilfen Sleep on it, if you feel you have enough cycles to do that, I will absolutely accept your help!

Briar is awesome... but unsuitable. ๐Ÿ˜

@HerraBRE Got family visiting this weekend, remind me next week. I think #mailpile has some good potential, so if I can help I will.
@gwmngilfen I will. Thank you and enjoy your weekend!
@HerraBRE I started replying to this just now but the length got out of hand, so, err, you've got mail ;)

@HerraBRE A blog is you! It's a wordy one, but I hope it's useful - please take all criticism as constructive, you've got a great project here.

https://emeraldreverie.org/blog/2018/10/03/first-impressions-mailpile/

First Impressions of Mailpile - Emerald Reverie

Wow, nearly a year since I blogged anything. Thatโ€™s crazy - I must do better. However, for now at least, Iโ€™m back! Today Iโ€™m going โ€ฆ

@gwmngilfen Hey, thanks! Off I go to read it.

@gwmngilfen OK, quick skim done. Thanks for writing that!

My main take-away is that a lot of what Mailpile does is undiscoverable and our docs suck. Both of which I knew, but it's always useful to have clear data about which things are confusing.

A lot of the things you concluded were impossible or broken, are actually possible. So the article is factually incorrect in a few places, but as a first impression if I take all "statements of fact" as "impressions", it's extremely useful feedback.

@gwmngilfen I'm thinking that responding to that blog post, with corrections or clarifications, might be a good starting point for an "Introduction to Mailpile." Hmmmmmmm!

@HerraBRE I just re-read it myself, and realised I missed one of my feedback items - the difference between dragging a tag to a mail, and dragging a mail to a tag.

I figured out dragging mail quickly (that's expected, and the handles show up nicely once some mail is selected). But I only even realised you *could* drag tags after finding a discussion of the two forms ... somewhere? I was searching for a "Tags" menu within the message pane.

I should go add that to the post, I guess...

@gwmngilfen Yes. The drag/drop behaviour, and the differences between those two are not obviously discoverable. They're logical (I think), but that's not quite the same thing.
@HerraBRE I would agree that it's logical, yes. Once I found out about it (which I found here I think - https://github.com/mailpile/Mailpile/issues/1873) it was like a light bulb switching on :)
Create a Hint about drag/drop of tags ยท Issue #1873 ยท mailpile/Mailpile

It is not immediately obvious that dragging and dropping tags (or messages) is possible, nor is it obvious how the dragging behaves. We should add a hint that tells the user about this feature. To ...

@HerraBRE same can be said for the saved-searches-as-a-tag, which I found in between auto-learning tags and manually-made mailing-list filters. It was quite a journey over the first 3 days ;)

I think that is more discoverable, I just didn't notice how "Edit" changes to "Save" when you make a search.

@HerraBRE Glad it's helpful! I suspected that most of what I found impossible wouldn't actually be, so apologies if it comes over as "there's no way to do this". It's more meant to say "I couldn't figure out how to do this". Overall my goal is to highlight things that long-term users will know and instinctively do/not do, and because it's "obvious" it never gets documented.

I'll be happy to publish a 2nd post of corrections if you want to point me to how to accomplish things :)