@jk @nielsim I found an old photo of my dad when he was stationed in Hawaii during the Korean War. He was holding his camera with both hands. It's framed really well, too. B&W, natch. I love thinking of him 'doing a selfie' before it was a thing, even though there was no word for it then, particularly. I do agree that most people then would have referred to it as a self-portrait, because it was new to even *have* a camera you could do that with, and there was no social media.