Hey retroheads, I'm looking at getting a replica of one or more computers from the 1970s.

I'm specifically looking at replicas of the PDP-8, the PDP-11, and the Altair 8800.

Which of the above (if any) would you kit build? Which others should I consider?

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@ajroach42 Depends on the replica!

AFAIK there are Altair replicas that are actually replicas, whereas the PDP-8 and PDP-11 replicas that I'm aware of are based on a Raspberry Pi running an emulator, which isn't exactly my cup of tea...
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@bhtooefr There are legit altair replicas, and there's the Altairduino. For the moment, the arduino based model is what I'm looking at right now, due to space constraints.

The PDP replicas I've looked at are Pi based, which I'm okay with for a start.

@ajroach42 So ultimately I think it's a matter of what system interests you more.

An Altair basically means that when you scale up from gefingerpoken das blinkenlichten, you're running CP/M.

A PDP-8... I know there's a lot of stuff for it, but it's "here there be dragons" territory to me.

A PDP-11... you get a lot of stuff that eventually evolved into VMS, and you get various Unices.
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@bhtooefr

Exactly!

I've never run CP/M, but i'd like to experience it.

I know that there is a Lot of software for the PDP-8, but I know next to nothing about it, and I'm certain that I'd like to know more.

The PDP-11 is towards the bottom of my list right now, because it's the closest to the stuff I already know. OTOH, an excuse to explore early Unix would be fun.

@ajroach42 Of course, the other thing is, a lot of that stuff for PDP-11 doesn't need the blinkenlichten, you can just run simh on a computer.
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@ajroach42 I've long considered giving in to the urge to fab my own PDP-11 but the one that keeps bugging me is the possibility of my own Cray-1 which should be totally doable these days
@djsundog @ajroach42 IIRC someone has done a Cray-1 (maybe 1S or 1M?) clone on an FPGA...
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@bhtooefr @ajroach42 yeah, but nah, I want the full-size kit with as few modern substitutions as I can manage ;)
@djsundog @bhtooefr That is, if you'll pardon me, Cray.
@ajroach42 @djsundog Powerfaved for the awful pun. (Actually I wonder how that works through Pleroma, I got a bunch of 500 errors doing it...)
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@ajroach42 @djsundog ...turns out that powerfaving a test post (I'm using MastoFE on here), only two of the activities made it through, and a whole bunch of 500s happened

(@dr1ft is probably going to wonder why the hell there's so many 500s in her logs if she looks - this is why)
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@bhtooefr @ajroach42 @djsundog don't worry I don't check my logs because they're too spammy to read on pleroma
@ajroach42 @bhtooefr it'll help me Seymour how it all works though
@djsundog @ajroach42 So that you can take Control of your Data?
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@djsundog @ajroach42 The biggest problem with that is that the cooling system would have to be modernized to use some other refrigerant...
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@bhtooefr @ajroach42 yeah, cooling and power need more modern safer alternatives and I'm sure some of the subsystems might get a little upgrade, but as little as I can ;)

@ajroach42 also, a homebrew replica Heathkit HERO

http://www.theoldrobots.com/hero1.html

The Old Robot's Web Site - Heathkit Hero 1

Heathkit Hero Robots had about eight years of sales. The HERO 1 was the first and most popular robot models

@djsundog I forgot this website existed, and now I'm worried about my finances.

@djsundog Is anyone making replica HEROs?

Now I gotta know.

@ajroach42 there was actually a late model hero that was core 2 duo based and was a rebadged model 914 pc-bot from white box robotics, who unfortunately no longer exists, but I keep looking for one

https://youtu.be/t3bDcRnhMpc

914 PC Bot rotating and lifting head mod | James Bruton

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@ajroach42 actually this video walks through it in enough detail we might be able to fab these ourselves

https://youtu.be/hoz8GwvhfbA

Mobile Robot Navigation Project #1 using the 914 PC-BOT and Kinect | James Bruton

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@djsundog Oh man.
@ajroach42 it's a pretty thorough overview of the setup and uses enough standard sized part to extrapolate out the other dimensions - maybe tomorrow I'll transcribe the parts he mentions and see what a BOM cost looks like here in the third millennium

@ajroach42 Not from that era, but I'd love to see an emulated lisp machine. The real things are expensive unicorns even now, with power draw to match.

Being lisp all the way down though, I can't see them being much of an emulation target. The closest (and very accessible) version today is Emacs, SBCL or CCL, and SLIME.

@tool_man

@ajroach42

maybe an its tops machine? I'm not sure I'm remembering the name right. it had a command to crash the system, making that a noob error instead of a badge of honor.

Forth machines don't carry the historical weight the lisp ones do, but I found my short visit to them mind expanding.

@Darkhorse @ajroach42 I keep hearing that sort of thing about Forth. Going to have to give in and play sometime.

@tool_man

@ajroach42

They make chips that run low level forth native.
The forth environment is like I understand the lisp machines to have been in the sense that it's your shell and your building tools into the environment as well as whatever your target program is. It's all kind of one monolithic thing.

@ajroach42

replica, I think I'd go with the one unix was written on (but off the top of my head I can't remenber if that was the 8 or the 11)

@Darkhorse the pdp-11 was the smallest machine that could run Unix when it was released.

I *think* it was originally written to target pdp-10s though.

I know basically nothing about early minicomputers and mainframes from this era, though. Still doing my research.