genuinely that whole thread of people on  being ableist is one of the worst fucking things i have ever seen on the internet, one of them is like a professional writer on mental health!!!! fucking hell it is bad, grim grim grim stuff
i was blocked by one of the participants (probably for telling a fellow vice writer they sucked) so don't think i saw all of it but FUCK most of these people are literally employed as like voices of the left and they sound like fascists, ugh sorry to vent but FUCK these are not good people
my bet is that absolutely none of these people will face any consequences whatsoever for talking about disabled people in a way that's indistinguishable from sincere fascism but i am always willing to be surprised