pinkprius [en]Dec 3, 2017
#Libertarian logic. #Communism is bad because people starved but also people SHOULD starve if they can't find a job.
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Show threadKazAug 31, 2018

@pinkprius See, you sociopathic communists don't get it:
Communism is bad because it violates our natural right to choose, which inevitably results in mass death.

A free society means people are indeed free to starve, but never HAVE to starve. They will have as much food and other wealth as they are productive members of the community.

You stole the term "socialism", but there's nobody more antisocial than your kind. Pre-Marxism socialists respected the social accountability of a free market.

Show threadBob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅
@kazvorpal @pinkprius Pre-Marxism socialists...you mean the Jacobins. Maybe we do need more Jacobin spirit to sweep away the ancien régime and finally realize liberté, egalité, fraternité.

Bring on the revolution!
pinkprius [en] (@[email protected])

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Show threadKazAug 31, 2018

@bob @pinkprius

No, I mean guys like Proudhon and Benjamin Tucker, who opposed capitalism (by which they meant state monopoly of capital, the very thing Communists advocate), which they saw as warring against society. They therefore supported free markets.

Even Bakunin was against the evil of Communism, anticipating Stalinism in his prediction of how it would always, inevitably turn out.

Show threadBob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅Aug 31, 2018
@kazvorpal @pinkprius Bakunin was against communism mainly because of the example of the French revolution. He wasn't so much anticipating Stalinism as looking back at the previous cases where power had been wielded "in the name of the people".
pinkprius [en] (@[email protected])

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Show threadKazAug 31, 2018

@bob @pinkprius Bakunin explicitly described the powerful, crypto-capitalist state of Stalinism, and explained how and why that would be the inevitable outcome.

When you gather power together, it not only corrupts, it attracts the most corruptible and sociopathic of society.

He didn't know about the calculation problem, how central planning can NEVER manage resources effectively, will ALWAYS cause austerity, famine, and death.

But he knew rulers are always evil when the state is powerful.

Show threadBob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅Aug 31, 2018
@kazvorpal @pinkprius Central planning seems to work very effectively for Amazon. The main criticism of central planning isn't that it doesn't work but that it only works in the interests of a ruling minority.
pinkprius [en] (@[email protected])

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Show threadKazSep 1, 2018

@bob @pinkprius
You illustrate the problem with communists:

You don't differentiate between consent and coercion. Amazon is an entity that operates consensually. It is not a source of central planning, and not a monopoly.

Central planning imposes economic decisions by force. Amazon competes with many other companies consensually. It is part of the Spontaneous Order that is always superior to central planning in economic outcomes, for all of society.

Show threadBob Mottram 🔧 ☕ ✅Sep 1, 2018
@kazvorpal @pinkprius

[Amazon]

> Amazon is an entity that operates consensually. It is not a source of central planning, and not a monopoly.

Er, ok.

At this point I think we've left the footpath of reality and are heading off into the long grass.
pinkprius [en] (@[email protected])

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Show threadKazSep 1, 2018

@bob @pinkprius

Your retort is evasive to the point of being meaningless. If you wish to deny that Amazon operates consensually, explain what you mean, otherwise you just appear dishonest, which I'll admit is a behavior communists find acceptable, since "the end justifies the means" to them.

You can argue that the State violates our consent by imposing corporatism on us coercively. But you're going to be hard-pressed to argue that Amazon per se is coercive.