hot take: what if not allowing your software to be used by expressly evil organizations is more important than your weird hard line libertarian stance on software freedom

hahahaha just found Eric Raymond's blog

"The Lerna project’s choice is, moreover, destructive of one of the deep norms that keeps the open-source community functional – keeping politics separated from our work."

ah yes, letting a political organization use your software freely is apolitical because anyone else can use it too. i am the big brain man

@thatcosmonaut I can't believe that esr has the stupidest fucking take on something
@xomputer I want to wrestle open source away from these stupid fucking hippies and make it punk
@thatcosmonaut if you have been within smelling distance of RMS you would know that he is already extremely punk

@thatcosmonaut Ah, esr...

What I found out about him a few years ago from reading his blog during the Sick Puppies attempt to take over the Hugos is that he's huge on the manosphere and close enough to the infamous Theo "Vox Day" Beale to be published by his right-wing vanity press and put on his Hugo slate. I'm sure he's a huge supporter of ICE's ethnic cleansing.

esr's another big reason (among many, many others) why I left libertarianism behind years ago.

@thatcosmonaut the SFC published this: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/aug/30/big-tent/

I'm pretty disappointed, but not entirely surprised. 😞

Challenges in Maintaining A Big Tent for Software Freedom

In recent weeks, I've been involved with a complex internal discussion by a major software freedom project about a desire to take a stance on social justice issues other than software freedom. In the discussion, many different people came forward with various issues that matter to them, including vegetarianism, diversity, and speech censorship, wondering how that software freedom project should handle other social justices causes that are not software freedom. This week, (separate and fully unrelated) another project, called Lerna, publicly had a similar debate. The issues involved are challenging, and it deserves careful consideration regardless of how the issue is raised.

@mathieu good job comparing themselves to the ACLU, another opportunistic organization i hate

@thatcosmonaut I had only heard good things about the ACLU, until this SFC article. (Well, I hadn't heard much about it at all, to be honest)

Defending the KKK is… wow. 😓

@thatcosmonaut FORREAL.
If we're gonna defeat evil we gotta let that ho ass shit go sometimes.

@thatcosmonaut

Bit how do we define evil? For some, blasphemy is evil. For others, homosexuality. How about planned parenthood? Left wing newspapers? Transexual promoters? Anarchists? Prostitution agencies? Churches? Law firms? Movie companies? Disney? Wil Wheaton?

Once you put "evil" on paper, you're opening a can of worms.

@rick_777 ethnic cleansing is evil, you don't have to torturedly wring your hands about it

@thatcosmonaut
Ah. THAT is different. But I didn't see which post you were replying to. Context was lost on me.

Still, how do you enforce such a thing? Restricting software this way means you can't use, say, GPL licensed code. So it's changing licenses all the way down.

@rick_777 it's hard but I think this is a tremendous flaw in the way we've thought about free software. we have responsibility as software developers. our field has tremendous power and we don't have the luxury of pretending we're tinkering in a vacuum any more.
@thatcosmonaut ESR is a xenophobic racist biggot. also a capitalist bootlicker. with that said rms would sadly have the same stance. i still think that cc nc sa is the best license because of this reason
@makestuff @thatcosmonaut ESR is promoting shunning people over the stance they take on licensing their publicly released code for use. That kind of terrible behavior would get him kicked out of LinuxFest Northwest and SeaGL, just like if he were to do OS shaming.
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@sillyboy @thatcosmonaut thanks i can read, and even if he wasnt doing that hes a waste of oxygen