The reason friends and therapists are best kept distinct is to avoid codependency.

Codependency most often takes the form of two people taking on roles of caretaker and care-receiver; where not only is the recipient of care dependent the specific caregiver, but the caregiver is dependent on the feeling of usefulness and validation they get from taking care of the other. This is very toxic as it means problems rarely actually get resolved

The caretaker is often drained, rarely able to have space to themselves, constantly exhausting energy on their dependent, and this caretaking role takes up the entire relationship. At the same time, the caretaker comes to be somewhat abusive, manipulative, afraid of the dependent not needing them anymore and caretaking in ways which reinforce the root problem. the dependent is a wreck. unhappy. getting worse. sees the caretaking as their only light.

Some dependent relationships are healthy, such as a child and a parent; or an elderly person and their adult child. A chronically disabled person and a PCA. We are all interdependent in all sorts of ways and there is nothing wrong with that either; our mesh of support and reliance.

But codependency is one node on one node.

A codependent mother does not want her child to grow up. She will subtly discourage her child from becoming independent. She does not realize how she is not encouraging her child to grow and mature but encouraging her child to return to mommy, to affirm her of her necessity and give her love. give her someone to love. This happens a lot, actually. A lot of abusive parents are actually also codependent parents. A lot of estranged parents cannot accept their child is an adult now
When we have these big communities of people and we're all traumatized and we all have our own mental illnesses and we all have our abandonment issues... it's so tempting to try and help each other in every way we can but codependency is a MAJOR risk you need to be aware of and even if you aren't trying to let it happen, even if you aren't trying to manipulate someone, it frequently happens. It happens most often when we "play therapist"

It's one thing for me to do mental health first aid when my friend has a panic attack; or for me to help a friend de-stress by hanging out, cooking, and listening to their problems.

It's another thing for me to attempt to solve their problems, to attempt to fix them, to be the person to help them work on their problem behaviors and do the things that therapists do. There are ways to support which are not the role of a therapist

I've been on both ends of codependency multiple times. Being the dependent is horrible and exacerbates all the problems you think you're trying to solve. Being the caretaker you don't realize how much you are hurting and how much this relationship isn't about helping but feeling like this good self-sacrificing person. the validation of hearing "what would I do without you"
and yet it's draining.
both parties are suffering in codependency
Playing therapist, that is to say not just supporting your friends but trying to fix them, will often fuck them up because you're not a professional. If the human/whatever mind was so simple that anyone could do this shit then people wouldn't need 6-8 years of training to do it professionally. There wouldn't be a century of research. Yes access to therapy is uneven but you should strive to support, not fix, your friends who don't have access to therapy; and avoid codependency
if you find yourself being the sole support of someone, try to find ways to spread that out across more people. if you find yourself going to the same person all the time, trying asking others in your life. Sometimes it can't be helped I know but just really try to be aware of this shit
Janet is depressed. Marie is her BFF. Marie regularly supports Janet through her depression and tries to play therapist processing all of Janet's trauma and trying to help her. After a while this basically is their friendship. Marie doesn't have a lot of other people close in her life. That Janet depends on her makes her feel close to someone, makes her feel wanted. At some point Janet's depression actually does start to get better and so she reaches out to Marie less
See, Janet usually reached out to Marie when she felt bad and needed support. So when she feels better, she doesn't reach out as much. Marie feels abandoned, unwanted, and Bad. She starts to reach out to Marie and turns conversations back towards Janet's issues whenever they hang out. When Janet talks about a new potential partner, Marie reminds her that her depression could get in the way. Is now really the time for a relationship? I just don't want to see you hurt...
Marie doesn't realize how much she does this. She doesn't realize how the ways she offers support to Janet are focused on "Everything is OK now, I'm here" "I'll always be here for you and that's why you'll be OK" it might make Janet feel better but it is focused on Marie. Marie can't treat Janet's depression. Janet, being dependent, will call Marie at 2am cuz she Feels Bad.
Janet isn't in therapy and the only way she knows how to cope with her illness is reaching out to Marie. Marie will take care of her. She isn't learning coping skills she's learning to lean on Marie more and more. Marie isn't getting enough sleep. She can't take a couple days off. If she ignores a message from Janet for an hour bad shit can happen and it scares her.
But Marie has no clue what she's doing. She'll keep doing what she's doing on and on and on until one of them breaks, the relationship ends, and Janet now has no support systems or way to cope and Janet now feels worthless and incompetent and unwanted because she derived her feelings of worth and love from the gratitude expressed by Janet.
Not all codependency will look like this and I was trying to be very generic and vague so I wasn't just describing my own experiences. Often the caretaker in codependency will gaslight the dependent, maybe not on purpose. Often there will be specific quirks. But this is just one way it can look
What Marie should've done is offered light support while mostly trying to help Janet get INTO therapy

Remember there’s many things therapists do and there is some overlap with things friends do

The part where the line is blurry is Listening. Because talk therapy is often just listening and listening and talking someone through their problems asking the right questions giving some advice etc.

This is also something friends do. It becomes therapy when you do it regularly, every time you hang out or any time they need help.

Other forms of playing therapist are trying to resolve someone's mental complexes and shit. Trying to be the one who teaches them to love themselves or who convinces them life is worth living. again friends might sometimes do this lightly but playing therapist is actively working on someone like a project. you can't fix their friends.

and then obviously if yr fuckin' trying to lead your friend through CBT exercises and shit that's obviously playing therapist

often if someone has distorted thoughts or something the way an amateur might try to fix it, saying "no that's wrong you're thinking that because of your illness" or "don't worry I can help you know what's real" is actually a form a of gaslighting. you are telling someone their thoughts and perceptions are distorted by mental illness and they can't trust their own thoughts and perceptions and must depend on you to tell them what is true and what is real.

Interdependency is decentralized networks of care, as well as the way we all are with society.

You are not an island. You depend on farmers, you depend on electricians, you depend on sanitation workers. Lightbulbs are an assistive technology for sighted people.

But let's talk interpersonal relationships since that's the focus of this thread

In a codependent relationship there is a caretaker and a dependent, it is an exclusive relationship, care travels in one direction, and the caretaker is dependent on the role of caretaker for some sort of validation. If either party is unavailable, there is no alternative source of care/validation.

In an interdependent relationship, care is mutual, travels in both directions, take all forms, and is non-exclusive. Nobody is the caretaker, we are all equals

I don't just have this one very very good friend I depend on for everything. I have a bunch of friends, a partner, a therapist, chosen family, etc. and if any one person is unavailable in a pinch, I have an alternative. You are not leaning so much on one person that you stand at a slant, but rather you are all leaning on each other on all sides and eventually everyone is propped up standing straight.

care is also not always the same thing. X might do one thing for Y, but Y might not do the same thing for X; does something else for X. when X needs what they give to Y they might go to Z instead.

Also please don't count favor tit for tat interdependence is about dynamics not economic transactions

Point being; we're all leaning on each other but nobody has the exclusive role of Dependent or Caretaker.

@shel Or even just one of the free spaces that might not be full-on therapy but has a chance of including ppl with some training in how to listen and when to draw boundaries between personal lives, etc.

I know people who use #7Cups for this kind of thing. Just... finding someone with a set role and some instruction.

@shel we need awesome people like you to join bout.ca the first Mental Health instance!! Please come join us! ;
@shel

indeed.

for example, in this space, it would actually be a conflict of interest for a psychologist to provide counseling or other therapies to users here, while also being here (unless the users never interact with each other of course)

and of course, friends are usually not willing to call somebody on their bullshit, because they don't want to lose their friend