Removing IndieWeb Plugins (Again)

While IndieWeb tools aim to improve data portability, the varying standards and protocols can sometimes result in interoperability issues, making seamless data exchange between different systems challenging.

https://islandinthenet.com/removing-indieweb-plugins-again/

#ActivyPub #Backfeed #Bridgy #IndieAuth #IndieNews #IndieWeb #POSSE #PostKinds #SemanticLinkbacks #Webmention #WordPress

Removing IndieWeb Plugins (Again) on Island in the Net by Khürt Williams

While IndieWeb tools aim to improve data portability, the varying standards and protocols can sometimes result in interoperability issues, making seamless data exchange between different systems ch…

Island in the Net by Khürt Williams

After a bit of experimentation and tinkering tonight, it appears that one can use their #WordPress website to create threaded conversations on #Mastodon (and likely other portions of the #Fediverse) using the IndieWeb syndication strategy of POSSE with backfeed of comments using #Webmention and Brid.gy. I’d outlined the process using Twitter in the past, and the same principles seem to work well for Mastodon. #IndieWeb #FTW #FediTips

#backfeed #brid-gy #fediverse #mastodon #posse #threaded-replies

https://boffosocko.com/2022/12/17/55812913/

POSSE

POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, the practice of posting content on your own site first, then publishing copies or sharing links to third parties (like social media silos) with original post links to provide viewers a path to directly interacting with your content.

IndieWeb

@kfitz I’m not sure that the straightforward functionality you’re looking for exists within the ActivityPub plugin (yet), but it’s certainly something you could potentially file as a feature request.

Since you have other Fediverse accounts you’re using, you might be able to follow the same general pattern I’d documented with Twitter for threading comments between my site and Twitter: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/

Generally, you’d post on your site where it’s seen in the Fediverse via the ActivityPub plugin and/or optionally boosted by your native Mastodon account. Replies to your post (on Mastodon) show up on your site as comments and you reply to them there in your site’s comments section. Then you manually copy/paste the text of your reply from your website into your native Mastodon account and include the comment/reply permalink in that reply. If you’ve got Webmention set up with Brid.gy for Mastodon, replies to your replies on Mastodon should then make their way back to the proper threaded spot in your website’s comments section.

An example of this at work can be seen on my earlier mistake:

Related, I’ve been playing around with mirroring my WP site as an instance with the ActivityPub plugin and have boosted posts with my more broadly followed mastodon.social account the same way you mentioned that you were doing with yours. Somehow I’m anecdotally finding that I get more responses/reactions with native posts that with these boosts. I’m curious what your experience has been with this strategy so far? I’m still just starting my experimentation here, but I do like the fact that I’m able to include richer presentation of wrapped links in my WordPress native posts which are seen in the Fediverse while Mastodon seems to strip them out or not allow them (see an example of this in the post above this reply).

#activitypub #activitypub-plugin #backfeed #brid-gy #fediverse #mastodon #posse #syndication #threaded-replies #webmention

https://boffosocko.com/2022/12/17/55812907/

GitHub - pfefferle/wordpress-activitypub: ActivityPub for WordPress

ActivityPub for WordPress. Contribute to pfefferle/wordpress-activitypub development by creating an account on GitHub.

GitHub

Not an answer to the dilemma, though I generally take the position of keeping everything unless someone asks me to take it down or that I might know that it’s been otherwise deleted. Often I choose not to delete my copy, but simply make it private and only viewable to me. On the deadnaming and related issues, it would be interesting to create a webmention mechanism for the h-card portions so that users might update these across networks. To some extent Automattic’s Gravatar system does this in a centralized manner, but it would be interesting to see it separately. Certainly not as big an issue as deadnaming, but there’s a similar problem on some platforms like Twitter where people will change their display name regularly for either holidays, or lately because they’re indicating they’d rather be found on Mastodon or other websites. The webmention spec does contain details for both editing/deleting content and resending webmentions to edit and/or remove the original. Ideally this would be more broadly adopted and used in the future to eliminate the need for making these choices by leaving the choice up to the original publisher. Beyond this, often on platforms that don’t have character limits (Reddit for example), I’ll post at the bottom of my syndicated copy of content that it was originally published on my site (along with the permalink) and explicitly state that I aggregate the replies from various locations which also helps to let people know that they might find addition context or conversation at the original post should they be interested. Doing this on Twitter, Mastodon, et al. is much harder due to space requirements obviously. While most responses I send would fall under fair use for copying, I also have a Creative Commons license on my text in an effort to help others feel more comfortable with having copies of my content on their sites. Another ethical layer to this is interactions between sites which both have webmentions enabled. To some extent this creates an implicit bi-directional relationship which says, I’m aware that this sort of communication exists and approve of your parsing and displaying my responses. The public norms and ethics in this area will undoubtedly evolve over time, so it’s also worth revisiting and re-evaluating the issue over time.

#backfeed #ethics #social-norms #syndication #webmention

https://boffosocko.com/2022/12/03/55812275/

Halloween - IndieWeb

Thirteen: Backfeeding ideas with Brid.gy

Let’s say I syndicate a thought to Twitter. I can use Bri.gy to backfeed ideas and interactions with my Tweet back to my original in my digital notebook (where it’s most useful).  This helps outside ideas filter into and interact with my own ideas.

#HeyPresstoConf20

You knew ideas can have sex, right?!!

https://boffosocko.com/2020/09/24/55777555/

Bridgy

Connects your web site to social media. Likes, reposts, mentions, cross-posting, and more...

Forcing webmentions for conversations on websites that don’t support Webmention Within the IndieWeb community there is a process called backfeed which is the process of syndicating interactions on your syndicated (POSSE) copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts. As it’s commonly practiced, often with the ever helpful Brid.gy service, it is almost exclusively done with social media silos like Twitter, Instagram, Flickr, Github, and Mastodon. This is what allows replies to my content that I’ve syndicated to Twitter, for example, to come back and live here on my website. Why not practice this with other personal websites? This may become increasingly important in an ever growing and revitalizing blogosphere as people increasingly eschew corporate social sites and their dark patterns of tracking, manipulative algorithmic feeds, and surveillance capitalism. It’s also useful for sites whose owners may not have the inclination, time, effort, energy or expertise to support the requisite technology. I’ve done the following general reply pattern using what one might call manual backfeed quite a few times now (and I’m sure a few others likely have too), but I don’t think I’ve seen it documented anywhere as a common IndieWeb practice. As a point of fact, my method outlined below is really only half-manual because I’m cleverly leveraging incoming webmentions to reduce some of the work. Manually syndicating my replies Sometimes when using my own website to reply to another that doesn’t support the W3C’s Webmention spec, I’ll manually syndicate (a fancy way of saying cut-and-paste) my response to the website I’m responding to. In these cases I’ll either put the URL of my response into the body of my reply, or in sites like WordPress that ask for my website URL, I’ll use that field instead. Either way, my response appears on their site with my reply URL in it (sometimes I may have to wait for my comment to be moderated if the receiving site does that). Here’s the important part: Because my URL appears on the receiving site (sometimes wrapped as a link on either my name or the date/time stamp depending on the site’s user interface choices), I can now use it to force future replies on that site back to my original via webmention! My site will look for a URL pointing back to it to verify an incoming webmention on my site. Replies from a site that doesn’t support sending Webmentions Once my comment … <a href="" class="more-link">Continue reading <span class="screen-reader-text"></span></a> https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/30/manual-backfeed-in-the-blogosphere/
Manual Backfeed in the Blogosphere

Forcing manual webmentions for conversations on websites that don't support Webmention

Chris Aldrich

Manual Backfeed in the Blogosphere

Forcing webmentions for conversations on websites that don't support Webmention

Within the IndieWeb community there is a process called backfeed which is th

https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/30/manual-backfeed-in-the-blogosphere/

#IndieWeb #WordPress #backfeed #blogosphererevival #buildingblocks #commentposts #fragments #manualuntilithurts #manualwebmentions #microformats #POSSE #refbacks #replypost #smallpieceslooselyjoined #syndication #Webmention

Manual Backfeed in the Blogosphere

Forcing manual webmentions for conversations on websites that don't support Webmention

Chris Aldrich
Interesting diagram of set up for an IndieWeb site. https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/10/55764172/
Chris Aldrich

Interesting diagram of set up for an IndieWeb site.

Chris Aldrich

Spent a few minute to finally set up my website with Brid.gy so that it’s now pulling responses back from Mastodon. It’s so nice to see all the interactions that were once “lost” to me coming back to live with their proper contexts on my website.

For those looking to tinker with their websites as it relates to interacting with Mastodon, the IndieWeb has a reasonable number of potential options in addition to your ability to roll your own.

https://boffosocko.com/2020/01/04/55763539/

Bridgy

Connects your web site to social media. Likes, reposts, mentions, cross-posting, and more...

I’ve obviously read this before, but somehow I’ve now got some new respect for the basis of the broader underlying idea. https://boffosocko.com/2019/12/23/backfeed-without-code-ryan-barrett-2/
Chris Aldrich

I've obviously read this before, but somehow I've now got some new respect for the basis of the broader underlying idea.

Chris Aldrich