@Unixbigot @IHG okay yeah 250Wp is pretty low.

I'd say 500 would be pretty good for most situations but 250 is definitely just light assist. I think the boom in Europe is mostly due to the very lenient approach by legislation

@Unixbigot @IHG would not be capable and I love it for that. But as you say "reasonable fit bikers can do 35kph easily". Yes, and they mostly got reasonable fit by riding a lot on their bike gaining experience.

There may be some riders that are experienced but can only ride their bike due to conditions. But from a legislation perspective you have to consider there will be a lot of inexperienced riders wanting to go fast. And therefore make it as safe as possible for everyone.

@Unixbigot @IHG risks for them (crashing) and others (not being able to stop in time, the driver generally being overwhelmed and doing stupid stuff etc.)

I would maybe be okay with raising the speed limit to about 30, but not more for the same reason. I live in a quite hilly area, there's a lot of crashes with ebikes since people cannot handle speed. They are just plain inexperienced bike riders but if they can go fast they will.

The E-Bike is great for getting people to bike that otherwise..

@Unixbigot @IHG I understand some of your points, but not all.
Especially if you say you use it for weight loss, why are you objecting to having to pedal?

Is the legislation capping at 250W peak or the more diffuse 250W permanent thing like eg in Europe? All bike systems can do way more, some are even up to 1000W.

And this is where I subject: I see people on the regular not being able to handle even 250W (mostly old and/or out of shape). Handing them more would dramatically increase risks.

@ChrisMayLA6 "hey we will let you into the country unchecked but you have to pinky-promise that you will go to the facility and probably wait for a long time before driving to your destination".

Was that the concept? I wonder why that didn't work...