@EfreetSK@lemmy.world
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Show threadEfreetSK6d ago
So you’re saying Romans alienated the imigrant barbarians because they weren’t “true Romans” and this eventualy led to the empire’s downfal? Sounds familiar
Show threadEfreetSKJul 10
But I can buy anything with fiat curency and with bitcoin I can basically buy nothing. And I never will be able probably, bitcoin is too slow to be used as an actual curency to buy common things like groceries
EfreetSKJul 8

Human nature

https://lemmy.world/post/32644683

EfreetSKJul 5

Batman lawnmover [OC]

https://lemmy.world/post/32510414

Show threadEfreetSKJul 5
The opposite, I always sleep with blanket on even if I don’t want to. In summer I fall asleep with blanket on my side and wake up fully covered in blanket. And sweating like a pig
Show threadEfreetSKJul 4
This is fake, no one can code like that
Show threadEfreetSKJul 1

Hey! I’m not balls!

(also Pebis?)

Show threadEfreetSKJun 29
Because Arch is at best comparable to sport fandom, at worst to religious cult. And fans/cultists do these kinds of things
Show threadEfreetSKJun 20
TIL people don’t know about rosetta stone. My mom loves ancient Egypt so information like this was my “daily bread” when I was little, never realized that this isn’t common
Show threadEfreetSKJun 19
There’re still older Civilizations I haven’t played so I’m not worried
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EfreetSKJul 8

Human nature

https://lemmy.world/post/32644683

Show threadtiasJul 8
But why is it human nature to put a bench right where people are walking. It’s like people in charge get off on creating obstacles for the common man just to feel powerful.
Show threadmacaw_dean_settleJul 8
Why is it human nature to not follow directions and pay attention better?
Show threadDeceptichumJul 8
Why would we let some arsehole planner dictate how we move in our spaces?
Show threadHellieSkellieJul 8
People have a reason to walk direct paths. People have no reason to walk obtuse, winding paths. What is gained from “following directions”?
Show threadmrgoosmoosJul 8
ok sheeple
Show threadEinarJul 8
People weren’t supposed to create that shortcut in the first place, thus disrespecting the park.
Show threadNeshuraJul 8

The park design should have accounted for the crosswalk on the top intersection from the get go or, alternatively, once the people made their desire for a path there obvious. The park isn't some sentient thing with its own opinion, it got made by people with 2 main functions: enhancing the environment and serving as a foot path. It is obviously failing at the second until the designers finally relented and put a proper path down to the crosswalk.

Note: you will always get people not using the path but when it's enough people to form a permanent trail then the park design obviously did not account for a rather popular destination and should be revised.

Show threadhuppakeeJul 8

weren’t supposed to

As if walking on grass in an emtpy park is comparable to driving a red light on a busy street.

Show threadKichaeJul 8

Green spaces: Just for viewing.

What kind of dystopian hellscape do you want the world to be, exactly?

Show threadproleJul 8
This has to be a joke right? Are you actually mad about desire paths?
Show threadtruthfultemporarilyJul 8
Over time, it will destroy large parts of the park.
Show threadnescJul 8
Well, don’t design park the brain-dead way and try to actually think about visitors and their needs. As in make a straight route to a damn crosswalk instead of making it an obstacle course.
Show thread.DonutsJul 8

What? No! You should be happy to even get any green to begin with.

- Capitalism

Show threadRob BosJul 8
A field of monoculture grass is already destroyed.
Show threadivanafterall ☑️Jul 8
Shots fired.
Show threadMarkus29Jul 8

Ackchyually, grass is almost always a mixture of different species (ryegrass, fescue and bluegrass) and therefore not a monoculture.

A lawn has its uses in parks, for example to have a Picknick. If you trow in some clover, daisies and ribwort, don’t spray and patches are left to grow to provide shelter it’s not that bad for biodiversity, depending on the climate of course.

Show threadRob BosJul 8

Yeah, there’s grass and then there’s grass. Sure. I got no beef with a field of mixed grass that’s left to grow, especially if there’s mixed native wildflowers etc.

It’s the fields of monoculture non-native grass that the Suburban White Dude[tm] wants to obsessively cultivate and that seems to be the goal of parks departments everywhere that’s the problem.

My partner ranted to me the other day that she couldn’t get a 10m^2 area from a local municipal parks department recently for a Miyawaki forest plot. No reasons, just “no.” Very frustrating group of fuckin’ boomers.

Show threadmrgoosmoosJul 8
The park that people are supposed to walk through?
Show threadViatorOmniumJul 8
This specific case would be super predictable, notice how the desire path becomes wider at the end. Pedestrian path should always do that because that's how people walk.
Show threadmacaw_dean_settleJul 8
Human nature to fuck nice shit up. This is why I don’t cater.
Show threadMrkawfeeJul 8

Desire lines.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path?wprov=sfla1

Desire path - Wikipedia

Show threadhuppakeeJul 8

An early documented example is Broadway in New York City, which follows the Wecquaesgeek trail which predates American colonization.

Nice

Show threadhsdkfr734rJul 8

Sometimes it is just carelessness of the people. Being blind to your felliw peoples 's needs. Dropping trash where they stand. Refusing to walk two more steps on the pathway and kill the grass instead.

In this case the requirements analysis of the parks and recreations dept was just bad and they are the asshole.

Show threadsnooggumsJul 8
The parks department tried to work against what people wanted by blocking the path people wanted to use.
Show threadbstixJul 8
lemmyverse.link/sh.itjust.works/c/desire_paths
Show threadsquirrelJul 8
!desire_paths@sh.itjust.works
Show threadCapricorn_GeriatricJul 8

I love how almost every comment talks as if the pedestrians were the problem, and not designers.

Just made the footpath in box 2 the actual path, and slap additional stuff anywhere not-on-top-of-where-peiople-walk.

Show threadKichaeJul 8

The Internet is populated by people who think English grammar is cosmic law, so it doesn’t surprise me that they think you should bend over for dogshit urban planning.

Ironically, none of them follow the rule of shutting up if they don’t know shit about shit.

Show threadFifrokJul 8

To everybody acting like the desire path is the problem:

  • If the problem for you is that it’s ‘bad’ or ‘illegal’, grow a spine so that when you need to break the law, for something that matters, you can do it with dry pants.
  • If the design doesn’t take into account how people will interact with it, it’s bad and lazy. Only time it would be acceptable to ‘force’ a way to interact with something is when there are safety concerns, and there are none here.
  • You are traped in a cage of your own making, break free or perish like the dog you are.
    • Show threadKlearJul 8
    I wanted to say that surely nobody is complaining about desire paths and then I scrolled just a little bit… yikes!
    Show threadouthouseperilousJul 8

    Seriously. The rabidly boot licking deference obedience and weird conflation if the constructed with the natural/universal is like the worst thing we get from the mostly-christian (anti)intellectual tradition.

    These people are not fit to be adults in a built environment. Their states if mind should not be allowed in a world with such feats of artifice as concrete and movable type.

    Show threadCoffeeVectorJul 8
    Ok being real dude, I don’t think this behavior is a product of “mostly-christian (anti)intellectual tradition,” it’s just the type of people who never grew out of the color-in-the-lines and follow-your-line-buddy stuff from grade school. I don’t think there’s any spectacular political statement to be made here.
    Show threadouthouseperilousJul 8
    I’ll accept that the corellation is higher up the cognitive chain than that. You may be correct.
    Show threadslaacaaJul 8
    Today, I’m astonished to learn about the existence of anti-desire path people based on the comments here
    Show threadAwesomeLowlanderJul 8
    Not that I have a particular problem with desire paths, but what’s shown in the comic here is an example of how the design changed to take into account how people are interacting with it, and yet it didn’t work out.
    Show threadVictorJul 8
    Yeah, that person you replied to missed the point entirely.
    Show threadFifrokJul 8
    Oh. What is the point then? /gen
    Show threadVictorJul 9

    For me, it was heavy on the “you can’t please everyone” aspect. You try and try, first at enforcing the solution you thought was best, but people have their own problems and their own agenda. Then you try to accommodate that. But you’ll find that there’s always someone whom you can’t please.

    That was my personal take-away.

    Show threadFifrokJul 8
    It didn’t work out because the design didn’t change, it was reinforced. Each attempt failed because there was no actual effort to understand why it’s not working. Like wraping a leaky rusted pipe in ducktape.
    Show threadAwesomeLowlanderJul 8
    Um. You did notice panel 10 - 12, right?
    Show threadFifrokJul 8
    Yes? The new path is there because it’s still shorter, people don’t walk in straight lines and sharp angles. That design is still lazy and not thought out
    Show threadTheFoganJul 8
    I mean what is a “thought out” path, besides just saying fuck it and paving whole plot. I mean maybe a funnel or something, but again kind of seems likely that we’d wind up with more desire paths forming just differently, maybe people coming from different starting points etc…
    Show threadmarcosJul 8

    The only time where the design actually changed, the designer made the point of moving the path away from whhere the desire path was pointing.

    That comic captures it so incredibly well. It’s almost perfect.

    Show threadsqwJul 8
    right, it was changed specifically to deny the most popular use. so thats why it doesnt work.
    Show threadqueermunist she/herJul 8
    You say this is human nature, but I see this comments section filled with good little doggies that follow master’s rules.
    Show threadsamus12345Jul 8
    Yet desire paths will always happen regardless.
    Show threadqueermunist she/herJul 8

    In the comic, the desire path happened because they wouldn’t just connect to the crosswalk. Even in the end, the constructed path connects to the sidewalk slightly to the side instead of going straight to the crosswalk.

    Desire paths happen because of poor, antihuman design choices.

    Show threadcholesterolJul 8
    I wonder if the experience of ‘shortcut’ is part of the motivation, so that as soon as you’ve established a path, what constitutes ‘shortcut’ also changes. I’d be interested to know if curved paths were more desire path-resistant, because they appeal to an intuition about adjusting (and therefore optimizing) course.
    Show threadsqwJul 8
    seems to me its the entire motivation. but whether the shortcuts have impact on the grass is in tension with how popular they are. people shortcut randomly all the time but it only makes a desire path when a large number of them go the same way regularly
    Show threadcholesterolJul 8
    Note that my (implied) emphasis is on experience. If the experience is what is important, convenience isn’t actually what creates desire paths. Instead it’s the experience of making a personal choice to increase efficiency, of joining a club of renegades who brave the path less traveled, etc… So maybe allowing for that experience in the managed environment is another way of limiting desire paths.
    Show threadsqwJul 8
    yes that makes sense. i think the degree of desire for that experience is always there, but the more rigid the built environment is, the more frustrated that desire becomes.
    Show threadproleJul 8
    My brain is so Death Stranding-coded right now that I tried to give the path a bunch of likes 👍👍👍
    Show threadRaivoKulliJul 8
    I like how upset people are in the comments. Even has random ass comments about capitalism. This is great lol
    Show threadTrihilisJul 8
    Meme successful.
    Show threadREDACTEDJul 8
    Isn’t that normal on lemmy? It’s also fully expected to see some comments about Israel under every post no matter how unrelated it is. People made fun of political madness on reddit, but to me lemmy has always felt much worse in this regard
    Show threadGsus4Jul 9
    If you’re happy with the status quo, you never left reddit.
    Show threadREDACTEDJul 9
    I hope it’s a temporary thing, but these temporary things tend to last and multiply
    Show threadrustydrdJul 8
    I love how the third and second to last panel are the same, as if nature paused briefly before it decided to open another path.
    Show threadsamus12345Jul 8
    Human nature, not just nature.
    Show threadFocalJul 8
    Had to double check when I read this. Zoomed in super close, and the second to last panel actually has a veeery faint outline of a new path